Future of fueling our skoolies?

Rbru8030 · 11-10-2021, 10:58 AM

Is anyone having thoughts about the future of diesel fuel going forward? I'm still waiting on my county here in NC to give me a price on the bus we're hoping to buy and I'm trying to cover all the facets of routine monthly costs for budgeting. I also heard that the gov is trying to get older engine buses off the road. This is just a rumor as far as I know and I'm looking for input from anyone willing to share their thoughts on these topics with a noobie?

Rich

PhilipE · 11-10-2021, 11:11 AM

Commiefornia signed in a law not to long ago removing older semi's based in CA from OTR. I can't remember the year. I think it was around 2005 model trucks. They also have a law on the books that removes gas vehicles from new car sales in 2035. Nothing on the book yet about older gas vehicles. I do see it coming.

Diesel is used to much for the government to remove it anytime soon. Electric in larger vehicles isn't much of an option right now. To short of charge miles for OTR usage. All military vehicles are diesel currently. All trains are diesel. Between OTR and trains. That is two industrys that won't get shut down. We hope.

o1marc · 11-10-2021, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PhilipE

Commiefornia signed in a law not to long ago removing older semi's based in CA from OTR. I can't remember the year. I think it was around 2005 model trucks. They also have a law on the books that removes gas vehicles from new car sales in 2035. Nothing on the book yet about older gas vehicles. I do see it coming.

Diesel is used to much for the government to remove it anytime soon. Electric in larger vehicles isn't much of an option right now. To short of charge miles for OTR usage. All military vehicles are diesel currently. All trains are diesel. Between OTR and trains. That is two industrys that won't get shut down. We hope.

Today, three-quarters of passenger rail transport activity takes place on electric trains, which is an increase from 60% in 2000 - the rail sector is the only mode of of transport that is widely electrified today. This reliance on electricity means that the rail sector is the most energy diverse mode of transport.

DeMac · 11-10-2021, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rbru8030

Is anyone having thoughts about the future of diesel fuel going forward? I'm still waiting on my county here in NC to give me a price on the bus we're hoping to buy and I'm trying to cover all the facets of routine monthly costs for budgeting. I also heard that the gov is trying to get older engine buses off the road. This is just a rumor as far as I know and I'm looking for input from anyone willing to share their thoughts on these topics with a noobie?

Rich

The fuel corporations will continue to sell diesel to America for decades to come. Privately owned RV/bus conversions will encounter registration, insurance and emmisions issues long before the fuel sales stop.

I'd be more concerned with getting a price on a bus from the (Lee?) county. Haven't you been waiting on a price for more than two months?

Please see below, the two lists of buses for sale from the state of NC. Both contain price, milage and other details.

(This one has no dates)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...7P6cs/htmlview

(These dates are current)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...mXqM/htmlview#

Danjo · 11-10-2021, 01:56 PM

Well here in Commiefornia, PhillipE, we have 96% biodiesel made from waste vegetable oil available right from the pump. Imagine that.

PhilipE · 11-10-2021, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by o1marc

Today, three-quarters of passenger rail transport activity takes place on electric trains, which is an increase from 60% in 2000 - the rail sector is the only mode of of transport that is widely electrified today. This reliance on electricity means that the rail sector is the most energy diverse mode of transport.

The passenger section of rail transport The electric loco's are used in a small section of the US.Mostly larger urban areas. Think east coast DC area. That is a small area of the country. Freight service is mostly all diesel usage. I couldn't find milage for electric tracks, total mile of tracks in US is 140,000 miles.

dzl_ · 11-10-2021, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Danjo

Well here in Commiefornia, PhillipE, we have 96% biodiesel made from waste vegetable oil available right from the pump. Imagine that.

Its amusing how much grumbling about California come from people outside California, with little to no actual awareness/experience of realities in the state, and little or no reason to care.

Incidentally "Commiefornia" happens to be probably the largest hub of (capitalist) innovation in the country and the world, and accounts for an outsized proportion of the countries productivity. Outside of a minority of the US population, the idea of "commiefornia" would be laughably naive to basically anyone in any other modern capitalist democracy, and especially amusing/naive to someone from an actual socialist or ex-socialist country. To most of the world, California politics would fall somewhere between center-right and center-left depending on the country. Only in America could something like fuel or emissions standards, be conflated/confused with "communism."

I hope we can just stop with the little political digs and rants, its not constructive.

Jolly Roger bus 223 · 11-10-2021, 04:07 PM

in NC i cant and dont see a problem getting diesel anytime soon for years to come accept for the price.
i dont want to fill my 100 gallon tank right now.
but my old diesel can run on veggie oil for alot cheaper but would have to more religious maitenance than with diesel.

BarnYardCamp · 11-10-2021, 04:59 PM

Maybe Ca once was the largest hub of capitalist innovation. But according to a Stanford study, in just the 1st 6 months of this year 74 companies moved their HQ's out compared with 62 companies last year. Majority heading for Texas. And didn't Ca just lose a congressional seat? Sounds like trouble in paradise to me..but you are correct, I'm not from CA so I won't call it "commiefornia" but seems like the balance has shifted between positives like the weather and drop dead gorgeous scenery and negatives like the over bearing hand of government.

I will say that I know of some positives that emanated from CA...when I was a kid, I worked as a gas jockey, some of the customers would leave their cars running, the exhaust fumes would bring tears to your eyes, so, mostly driven by CA trying to clean up their stubborn smog problem(s) and because CA was such a huge market modern cars are remarkably clean emissions wise. (relatively speaking)

BarnYardCamp · 11-10-2021, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Danjo

Well here in Commiefornia, PhillipE, we have 96% biodiesel made from waste vegetable oil available right from the pump. Imagine that.

Right at the pump..that's pretty neat! How does the price compare to regular diesel?

Can any diesel run it or do you need modifications?

Rucker · 11-10-2021, 05:44 PM

Texas is enacting laws to limit diesel particulates. They still have a frighteningly high rate of 'diesel deaths' (google and you will learn).

California's controls on diesel emissions have steadily reduced the risk of cancer from Diesel particulates since 1990.

Diesel RVs are not subject to the new California rules, and neither are conversions.

Notice how I didn't use a slur or derogatory name for Texas in the whole post.

HamSkoolie · 11-10-2021, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by o1marc

Today, three-quarters of passenger rail transport activity takes place on electric trains, which is an increase from 60% in 2000 - the rail sector is the only mode of of transport that is widely electrified today. This reliance on electricity means that the rail sector is the most energy diverse mode of transport.

And is a miniscule portion of the rail system. Confined to large metropolitan areas where lots of people commute long distances from a few spokes.
Cargo rail is not economically viable for electrification and may never be.

HamSkoolie · 11-10-2021, 06:24 PM

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Its amusing how much grumbling about California come from people outside California, with little to no actual awareness/experience of realities in the state, and little or no reason to care.

I am a political refugee from commiefornia. I quit my CalPers retirement job and escaped the idiocy that has destroyed my birth state. So people not from commiefornia can continue to complain about the socialist/ommunist agenda there all they like. They have my permission as well as the permission of the hundreds of thousands of producing citizens who have escaped.

And now the idiocy has contaminated the country.
Pushback has begun though.

HamSkoolie · 11-10-2021, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rucker

Texas is enacting laws to limit diesel particulates. They still have a frighteningly high rate of 'diesel deaths' (google and you will learn).

Are those "diesel deaths" anything like the fake 400,000 plus "smoking related deaths" that include thousands of non smokers, and hundreds of thousands of people who lived more than 20 years longer than expected?

Rucker · 11-10-2021, 07:06 PM

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Are those "diesel deaths" anything like the fake 400,000 plus "smoking related deaths" that include thousands of non smokers, and hundreds of thousands of people who lived more than 20 years longer than expected?

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I thought it might be a mistake to comment.

Thanks for the reality check.

PhilipE · 11-10-2021, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dzl_

Its amusing how much grumbling about California come from people outside California, with little to no actual awareness/experience of realities in the state, and little or no reason to care.

I have been in your state. I am not going to get into any long drawn out bashing or anything else.

All I will say is. Nothing will get me back across your state line. No I am not wanted by your state also.

There is bio diesel around my area. I see it in my travels. If it stays in the 5% mix range its fine. In my area 10% and you get cold weather problems.

BarnYardCamp · 11-10-2021, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rucker

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I thought it might be a mistake to comment.

Thanks for the reality check.

I'd bet that there is a lot more "common ground" in society than most people think. However, common ground can not be found when there is no discussion.
I'd dispute the lives saved from diesel particulates statistics because such things cannot be accurately measured. Doesn't mean that I dispute the benefits of lower emissions.

Rucker · 11-10-2021, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BarnYardCamp

I'd bet that there is a lot more "common ground" in society than most people think. However, common ground can not be found when there is no discussion.

Look, I just want to talk about skoolies. Snark makes discussion impossible at times. I’m guessing it’s some disgrunt pissed (probably in more ways than one).

Just block and move on to more interesting conversations. I’m happier for it, and probably other people are happier for it, and there are still scads of good people here who enjoy the things I do about conversions.

turf · 11-11-2021, 12:59 AM

pretty sure diesel will be available for my lifetime.

$3 diesel, probably not. enjoy while its here.

Rbru8030 · 11-11-2021, 10:07 AM

Yes, The "reason" given is that the state is waiting to see if another NC county needs the bus due to school population changes this year. I've been talking to the Regional Transportation Director and he is telling me he wants to move the unit as he needs the yard space, but nothing is coming from the state level folks. I'll be calling him again today. I want to keep a good relationship with him as he's being really helpful giving me access to the yard and the bus. I'm still open to other options as I come across them.

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