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Old 08-13-2020, 12:38 PM   #1
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Good or bad idea to buy this bus

Iím in the process of buying a new bus within the next couple of months. Instead of a full sized bus, Iím looking at getting a short or mid sized bus that way itís easier to get into most parks and find parking. My goal once I buy this bus is to travel throughout the US to both National and State parks. I would need a bus that would be good for long hauls and driving through mountains with incline. Iíve found this bus, but I need a little help on whether or not this would be a good option. Hereís some of the info Iíve received from the current owner of the bus..

1991 International/Navistar
New batteries, tires and repaired engine
$4,500
28 feet in length
44k miles on it
Model 3700
Engine capacity V8 7.3 liter
Break system air
Diesel
Drive line type 4x2
No rust in or outside of the bus

Any suggestions? Pros? Cons?
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Old 08-14-2020, 12:39 AM   #2
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I’m in the process of buying a new bus within the next couple of months. Instead of a full sized bus, I’m looking at getting a short or mid sized bus that way it’s easier to get into most parks and find parking. My goal once I buy this bus is to travel throughout the US to both National and State parks. I would need a bus that would be good for long hauls and driving through mountains with incline. I’ve found this bus, but I need a little help on whether or not this would be a good option. Here’s some of the info I’ve received from the current owner of the bus..

1991 International/Navistar
New batteries, tires and repaired engine
$4,500
28 feet in length
44k miles on it
Model 3700
Engine capacity V8 7.3 liter
Break system air
Diesel
Drive line type 4x2
No rust in or outside of the bus

Any suggestions? Pros? Cons?
Several observations:
1. The bus doesn't have 44k miles - the odometer has been replaced. Odometers are often replaced, but I'm concerned the owner is trying to claim that the odometer reading is accurate when he should know better...

2. If the transmission is not specified, it is an AT545. It isn't bad necessarily, but this bus is likely to feel underpowered.

3. The International Harvester IDI 7.3l engine has a good reputation for reliability.

4. Tires are expensive, averaging around $1800 for a set. There is a date code on the tire that will tell you if they are really new. Tires age out, sometimes despite having new-looking tread. Some owners also buy retreads for the rear tires.

5. Air brakes are pretty standard for this size bus. So is a 4x2 drive line.

6. Check yourself for rust. Where is the bus from? Certain states are much better than others. Rust is a deal killer if you want a conversion to last (without spending an insane amount of time mitigating it)

7. Did he say why the engine was repaired?
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Old 08-14-2020, 12:58 AM   #3
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What is meant by 4x2 drive line?


I'm guessing its not referring to 4x2 as opposed to 4x4 or it probably wouldn't have been explicitly stated.
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Old 08-14-2020, 12:59 AM   #4
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What is meant by 4x2 drive line?


I'm guessing its not referring to 4x4 vs 4x2 or it wouldn't have been stated.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it's referring to. Notice that the bus is also listed as a "diesel." And, it has "break system air" (air brakes).
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Old 08-14-2020, 01:09 AM   #5
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I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it's referring to. Notice that the bus is also listed as a "diesel." And, it has "break system air" (air brakes).

Maybe you are right (though at least with diesel v gas, and air v hydraulic there are enough buses out there with gas and hydraulic breaks that its a question people ask).


But now that I'm thinking about it, I think the specs are probably copy pasted from a craigslist post or something and listing 4wd/2wd gas/diesel etc are standard checkboxes.
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Old 08-14-2020, 02:05 AM   #6
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I *JUST* picked up a similar full length bus last week for a forum member. While the 7.3 is a reliable engine, the one I drove just simply didn't have the power to maintain highway speeds for long trips, it barely maintained 50 MPH up a hill. Even in a shorter bus, you'll find your top speed in the 55 range. Regearing would give a higher top speed on the downhills, sure, but not so much when going up the other side. Keep looking for something more powerful. Also, pass on anything equipped with an AT545 transmission.
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Old 08-14-2020, 08:40 AM   #7
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4x2= 4tires in rear, 2 in front...
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Old 08-14-2020, 09:02 AM   #8
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4x2= 4tires in rear, 2 in front...

No. 4 wheel positions, 2 wheel drive. Very common notation if buying pickups, SUV's or vehicles often available in 4 wheel drive.
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