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11-20-2020, 08:10 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Nov 2020
Posts: 26
Coachwork: Thomas School Bus
Chassis: Westcoaster ER
Rated Cap: 84
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Is it safe to drive cross country
Hello, I just got a 1995 40ft Thomas Westcoster school bus in Los Angeles and now I'm kinda scared about driving it cross country to my home in Florida. Any advice and warning about how much fuel I can expect to pay for?
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11-20-2020, 08:11 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,758
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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I would expect to average about 8 MPG in that bus
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11-20-2020, 08:19 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Lebanon, Indiana
Posts: 911
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Winnebago
Chassis: Ford F53
Engine: Ford Triton V-10
Rated Cap: currently 2
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I would expect to pay for ALL the fuel!
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11-20-2020, 08:20 PM
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Traveling
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,302
Year: None
Coachwork: None
Chassis: None
Engine: None
Rated Cap: None
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Also, if it has seating capacity of 16+, is over 26,000 GVWR, has not been retitled as a motorhome or RV (requires seat removal and subsequent inspection by state police or DMV), you technically need at least a Class C / B CDL with P endorsement, S if school bus markings and/or equipment are still intact. There are a few members here with CDL licenses that can help with doing this legally. I am one. ;)
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11-20-2020, 08:22 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,758
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sehnsucht
I would expect to pay for ALL the fuel!
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a Hose N hike might be kind of tough in a bus so best to pay lol
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11-20-2020, 08:41 PM
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#6
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Nov 2020
Posts: 26
Coachwork: Thomas School Bus
Chassis: Westcoaster ER
Rated Cap: 84
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sehnsucht
I would expect to pay for ALL the fuel!
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I have like 2k budgeted for fuel just in case.
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11-20-2020, 08:44 PM
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#7
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Nov 2020
Posts: 26
Coachwork: Thomas School Bus
Chassis: Westcoaster ER
Rated Cap: 84
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CHEESE_WAGON
Also, if it has seating capacity of 16+, is over 26,000 GVWR, has not been retitled as a motorhome or RV (requires seat removal and subsequent inspection by state police or DMV), you technically need at least a Class C / B CDL with P endorsement, S if school bus markings and/or equipment are still intact. There are a few members here with CDL licenses that can help with doing this legally. I am one. ;)
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I already have a class B with Air and Passenger endorsements. I guess I'm asking if anyone has made a long drive with a bus right out of an auction and wondering if they had any mechanical problems or regrets.
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11-20-2020, 08:47 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 994
Year: 1999
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well..some people have no problem, others have disaster, you feeling lucky? Do you have the funds to deal with a $1,200 tow and costly repair or storage fees?
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11-20-2020, 09:53 PM
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#9
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,775
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Compared to paying to have it flatbedded, worth rolling the dice.
Maybe locate a respected mechanic local to the auction house to give it a $200 look over?
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11-21-2020, 12:33 AM
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Traveling
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,302
Year: None
Coachwork: None
Chassis: None
Engine: None
Rated Cap: None
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I ran one from IA to PA this summer for its new owners, who found out the hard way the 8.3 Cummins typically wears a camshaft out every 9000 hrs. Did well until it broke down though. My advice, research the mechanicals and stave off any potential issues as much as possible.
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11-21-2020, 04:01 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Georgia
Posts: 2,264
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: IH
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 14
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If the date on the battery is to be believed, they are 4 years old. They may get you home just fine, or they may take a puke (if they haven't already). Any number of things could happen including a smooth, trouble free trip. You may want to ask if the bus has a governed speed, and if so, if it can be bumped up to something long-distance friendly. You will absolutely want to have insurance for the trip along with paperwork proving recent purchase.
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11-21-2020, 05:30 AM
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Traveling
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,302
Year: None
Coachwork: None
Chassis: None
Engine: None
Rated Cap: None
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Also, learn the engine's safe rpm range, and stay within it. These beasties weren't built for highway cruising speeds.
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11-21-2020, 07:35 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,558
Coachwork: Integrated Coach Corp.
Chassis: RE-300 42ft
Engine: 466ci
Rated Cap: 90
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Before your trip, please take 30 mimutes or so to perform this pre trip checklist that Cheese_Wagon made. It has saved some of us from potential catastrophe. https://www.skoolie.net/forums/f9/re...ist-33026.html
The skoolie.net community will be here to help if you have any hiccups on the way back home. What part of FL is home? I'm in Central FL.
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11-21-2020, 08:19 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Central Alabama
Posts: 541
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC/2000
Engine: 5.9 Cummins 12-valve
Rated Cap: 1
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruzer
...I guess I'm asking if anyone has made a long drive with a bus right out of an auction and wondering if they had any mechanical problems or regrets.
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Key "drive cross country" in the search bar and you will find plenty of threads dealing with the topic. Add more info to your profile and/or add the link to the govdeals auction. It would help to answer questions you may have during the travel home. When will take your trip?
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11-21-2020, 08:40 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Colorado
Posts: 2,356
Year: 1993
Coachwork: bluebird
Engine: 5.9 Cummins, Allison AT1545
Rated Cap: 2
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gas buddy has a great trip advisor app, that will tell you the cost of fuel from zip code to zip code. i use it before trips to get an idea of what its going to cost me.
https://www.gasbuddy.com/tripcostcalculator
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11-21-2020, 10:06 AM
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Traveling
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,302
Year: None
Coachwork: None
Chassis: None
Engine: None
Rated Cap: None
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I would advise to avoid areas hit by hurricanes, as fuel may be hard to come by or contaminated. You might consider running the 10 to the 20 into Atlanta, then 75 down to FL.
Also, use anti-gel and Diesel 911 every fill-up to help prevent fuel quality problems -- I've seen a bit of that lately with newly purchased buses on their maiden voyage home.
Moving at night into the morning and planning food / fuel / sleep stops during rush hours will be more low-speed friendly, fewer idiots and will work great if you can adapt to sleeping noon to about 8 pm.
Most hotels/motels have 11 am checkout / 1-3 pm check in, but some will allow early check-in, just make sure parking with easy ingress / egress is available nearby. People are stupid and tend to make things as difficult as possible for larger vehicles by parking too close.
As far as fuel, going by CK's 8 mpg (I got 7.5 running 70 with a Cummins 8.3 that turned out to be sick, rocking a 5-speed MD3060 and towing a car), the route I suggested is 2,750 miles.
2750 divided by 8 = 343.75 gallons, call it 345 just in case.
345 gallons times current natl average of $2.11/gallon = $725 for fuel. Call it $800 just in case.
Fuel really isn't what you should be worried about so much as blown tires, etc. It's good that you way overbudgeted for fuel, because you may need it if a tire blows or a brake hub sticks or something.
By the way, if you haven't seen my posts on the bus safety thread, should you blow a steer tire, do NOT brake. Floor the accelerator and steer against the pull until you regain control, then slowly back out of the accelerator until you can get it off the road safely. Braking at speed with a blown steer tire can cause the rim to dig into the pavement and possibly roll the bus.
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11-25-2020, 05:02 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,324
Year: 1971
Coachwork: Wayne
Chassis: International Loadstar 1700
Engine: 345 international V-8
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A few notes based on your pictures. The rear tires are not retreads and do not show visible dry rot. Have you looked at the date code? So it would appear they are good as long as not way old. Tire pressure, get a gauge and check them. Biggest cause of tire failure is low air pressure.
Engine looks to be painted recently? A rebuild or replacement engine? if so that puts you in a good place. By the color is should be a Cat.
Fuel additives are a good idea, but they can also loosen junk in the fuel tank. So be prepared with spare fuel filters and know how to change them, as well as have some spare fuel to fill them. If you do not use fuel additives you could run into fuel gelling if you end up in a cold spot. I had fueled in Oregon and by the time I made Wyoming the temps had dropped to 5 degrees. Good thing for fuel heaters or I would have been stuck. I refilled and added anti gel without shutting down till the treated fuel made it way through the engine.
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11-25-2020, 05:21 PM
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#18
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 242
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruzer
I already have a class B with Air and Passenger endorsements. I guess I'm asking if anyone has made a long drive with a bus right out of an auction and wondering if they had any mechanical problems or regrets.
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Do You know when the last time it was used daily?
No matter if you do know or not,
I'd carry at a minunum:
half a dozen Fuel filters and any tools needed to change filters on the side of the road.
A 2 gallon can a of fuel
a couple gallons of oil
a couple gallons of coolant.
10 feet of good quality 3/8ths air hose and a dozen clamps.
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11-25-2020, 05:32 PM
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#19
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Ashtabula, Ohio
Posts: 1,494
Year: 1996
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International
Engine: T444E 7.3L
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Fuel cost is all you are concerned about? Hahahahahahahaaa!
What if you blow a tire? What if the radiator starts leaking? What if?????
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11-25-2020, 05:38 PM
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#20
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 787
Year: 1993
Coachwork: 44' Newell Coach
Engine: 8v92T Detroit
Rated Cap: 2 adults and two pigeons
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Agree with you Johhny!
Used to be that you'd whip out the AAA card and wait for a tow. Long gone are those days... Their basic membership doesn't even get you 6 miles of towing on a small car. Ain't happenin' on a bus for sure.
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