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Old 09-18-2017, 07:52 PM   #1
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Has anyone used Sherwin Williams Kem 400 to paint their bus?

If so did you use a primer or binder? What color?

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Old 09-18-2017, 09:16 PM   #2
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Nope. Have a price/gal?

KEM® 400 Enamel is a general purpose,
short oil alkyd, high gloss enamel.
It is ideal for interior and exterior application
for OEM finishing or refinishing of
industrial, construction, and agricultural
equipment as well as a wide array of
general metal applications.


KEM® 400 Acrylic Enamel
For improved exterior color and gloss
retention, faster drying, sharper gloss,
and improved block resistance in stacking,
a 10% addition of Acrylic Modifier,
V70V411, may be added to KEM® 400
Enamel.


KEM® 400 Urethane Enamel
For increased chemical and abrasion
resistance, improved hardness, sharper
gloss, and better gloss and color retention,
KEM® 400 Enamel may be catalyzed
at an 8:1 ratio with KEM® 400 Exterior
Catalyst, V66V1020, prior to reduction.
Drying times are slightly faster.
Addition of catalyst eliminates the critical
recoat time. Working potlife is 8 hours
maximum, at room temperature. Catalyst
contains isocyanates, read label
cautions on V66V1020 before use.



Advantages:
• High Gloss
• Good exterior color and gloss retention

• Good one coat protection
• Fast air drying
• Good flexibility and film toughness
• Available in a broad range of colors.
• Ideal for large components because
of longer open time and wet-in of
overspray
• Ideal system for horse trailers, farm,
garden, and construction equipment
and industrial machinery and equipmen
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Old 09-18-2017, 10:01 PM   #3
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I went to an auto paint supplier ($120 per gallon) s and was explaining about painting my bus. They recommended contacting Sherwin Williams industrial. Spoke to the salesman and he said that this was used by city of Phoenix for heavy equipment and by the army. Obviously very durable and about $65 a gallon.

I'm going there Friday to check it out. Wanted to see if anyone had any experience first.
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I am planning on using Rust-Oleum Professional at $27 a gallon. I did a test spot on my bus and it turned out great.

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I am planning on using Rust-Oleum Professional at $27 a gallon. I did a test spot on my bus and it turned out great.

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Use some hardener with it for long lasting results.
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Old 09-19-2017, 08:25 AM   #6
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I almost got that. They make a harder for it too. It seem like a good product, but it was just too pricey for us.
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Just used some of that . Sounnds just like it until i check the can. Gave me a discount off another contracto. Paid $35.00 gallon. Didn't quite match the Rusroleum Forest green. Was a little thin in comparison with rustoleum. I and the guy that painted the roof with rustoleum like rustoleum better.
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Let us know how it goes. I am thinking of buying the Sherwin Williams "All Surface Enamel Oil Base" and using a roller.

$65 a gallon they have a 40% sale in a few days.
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Painting is fun !!!

I am 2+ weeks into a paint job- including prep. Prep is where it's at.

Power washed with phosphate detergent.

I hand sanded the entire surface of the bus with #220 lightly- did not break through the paint. Take of oxidation layer. Yes, it takes a long time alone.

Shot a layer of tinted primer- just add few drops of paint to white primer. Gives you idea of color on bus early on.

Shot 3 light, wet coats of rustoleum, blended my own color from white/primaries. Probably have 2 -2 1/2 gallons used so far. Some waste- can't save hardner-activated paint.

Wait 6 months cure, Urethane clear.

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Painting is fun !!!

I am 2+ weeks into a paint job- including prep. Prep is where it's at.

Power washed with phosphate detergent.

I hand sanded the entire surface of the bus with #220 lightly- did not break through the paint. Take of oxidation layer. Yes, it takes a long time alone.

Shot a layer of tinted primer- just add few drops of paint to white primer. Gives you idea of color on bus early on.

Shot 3 light, wet coats of rustoleum, blended my own color from white/primaries. Probably have 2 -2 1/2 gallons used so far. Some waste- can't save hardner-activated paint.

Wait 6 months cure, Urethane clear.

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DUDE! That's awesome!!!!
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Painting is fun !!!

I am 2+ weeks into a paint job- including prep. Prep is where it's at.

Power washed with phosphate detergent.

I hand sanded the entire surface of the bus with #220 lightly- did not break through the paint. Take of oxidation layer. Yes, it takes a long time alone.

Shot a layer of tinted primer- just add few drops of paint to white primer. Gives you idea of color on bus early on.

Shot 3 light, wet coats of rustoleum, blended my own color from white/primaries. Probably have 2 -2 1/2 gallons used so far. Some waste- can't save hardner-activated paint.

Wait 6 months cure, Urethane clear.

Attachment 15954
that looks beautiful!

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Old 09-19-2017, 12:45 PM   #12
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that looks beautiful!
Thanks, guys. Still a lot of chance to screw it up.

Design is taken from 1970 wanderlodge. I still need to add dark stripe. And finish front...and back...
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That does look pretty good. What kind of sprayer did you use? (electric or compressor)
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Old 09-19-2017, 03:22 PM   #14
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That does look pretty good. What kind of sprayer did you use? (electric or compressor)
Thanks- I used a 60 gal compressor with the $50 Harbor Freight purple gun set.

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Old 09-19-2017, 06:34 PM   #15
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kem 400

Just left the SW industrial location and the kem 400 won't work for the bus.
It's designed for relatively stationary use and won't hold up on a moving vehicle, unless I go with military grade. Or I could find an old sailor who misses chipping and painting.

I contacted Rustoleum and they recommended Bin 123 as a primer.

Rusty, what did you use for a primer and what for paint?

Your paint looks terrific.
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Rusty, what did you use for a primer and what for paint?

Your paint looks terrific.
I just used the rustoleum white metal primer as I didn't have rust.

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Get the $50 HF purple spray gun and some paint and play with it. Paint some flowerpots or a wagon. You will be a pro in minutes.
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I just used the rustoleum white metal primer as I didn't have rust.

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Get the $50 HF purple spray gun and some paint and play with it. Paint some flowerpots or a wagon. You will be a pro in minutes.
Did you use a line dryer?

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What kind of paint, latex or acrylic?
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Did you use a line dryer?

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I do have a big inline dryer/filter, but not refrigerated. Not critical for this job.

The biggest water problems I encountered were these:

Water sets under the rub rails and when the blast of air goes by, water rolls down your paint. I used compressed air to shoot the water out every morning- dew counts.

Other water problem was weird- I was wearing nitrile gloves at first and I kept seeing water in weird spots. It was a hot day and it turns out I was leaning on the bus as I sprayed and water inside my glove was squirting out.

Wind is a bigger issue- I use this govt weather site to predict wind/when. Works great for baseball coaching, too!

Rustoleum is oil-based and cannot be tinted using latex tints.
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