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01-15-2022, 09:19 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 2
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Please help, need opinions! About to travel 7+ hours for a potential purchase.RUST?
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01-15-2022, 09:36 PM
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#2
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Suburbs of Winterset, OH
Posts: 802
Year: 2005
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: FS65
Engine: Mercedes 6.4L
Rated Cap: just the 2 of us
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I kind of look at rust the same way you would look at an ice berg....the part you can see won't hurt you.....
Maybe if the price was really good???
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01-15-2022, 10:05 PM
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#3
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 261
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DT466 / MD3060
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Get photos first!!!!
Don't take "example photos" make them go out there with their phone and take actual photos. If you don't get this bus, your bus is still out there - it took us about 4 months to find ours and it is a unicorn well worth the wait.
Those example photos dont look great either, I would worry about that air tank first (assuming that rusty tank is the air tank), muffler second, and chasis frame third. . . the frame might not be as bad because the metal is thicker = more for the rust to have to eat through. But the compressor and muffler look close to holes to me. . .
I'm no exper though, for sure someone else here knows more than me
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01-16-2022, 12:03 AM
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#4
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 726
Year: 2003
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: TC2000 28ft
Engine: Cummins ISB 5.9 24v, MD3060
Rated Cap: 14
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Also, that is a TC2000 with a Cummins 5.9 confirmed in the picture. The only engine available in that bus. It's a great engine, just know there's nothing rare about that bus
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01-16-2022, 06:48 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Near Flagstaff AZ
Posts: 1,951
Year: 1974
Coachwork: Crown
Chassis: "Atomic"
Engine: DD 8V71
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If the seller is wrong about the engine...whether misinformed or intentionally...then I would be pretty suspicious about the accuracy of his/her "just surface rust" claim. And, while an 8.3 would certainly be matched up to a 2000 or 3000 series Allison, the 5.9 might be paired with an AT545...which would also be less desirable, and less valuable, than the drivetrain the seller described.
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01-16-2022, 07:00 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 7,000
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: CE 300
Engine: DT466e
Rated Cap: 65C-43A
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The rust on the underside in those pics is not as bad as it gets ( this is as bad as it gets), but:
* That muffler is new-ish but it's connected to much rustier exhaust piping which is very expensive to replace (a lot more than the muffler itself).
* The rust you really need to be concerned about is rust in the body, the part that is resting on top of the chassis rails in that picture (the body includes the roof, walls and floor). Although the underside of a bus in salt-using areas can look very bad, buses generally rust from the inside out; water gets in through gaps in the roof panels, failed light gaskets, and leaking windows, permanently soaks the plywood and then rusts through the floor. You're not really going to know had badly the floor is damaged until you rip up the plywood.
The general advice here would be "don't buy an Ohio bus" or a bus from anywhere in the NE US ( especially not from the shores of Lake Erie, where my bus hails from).
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01-16-2022, 01:23 PM
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#7
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by musigenesis
The rust on the underside in those pics is not as bad as it gets ( this is as bad as it gets), but:
* That muffler is new-ish but it's connected to much rustier exhaust piping which is very expensive to replace (a lot more than the muffler itself).
* The rust you really need to be concerned about is rust in the body, the part that is resting on top of the chassis rails in that picture (the body includes the roof, walls and floor). Although the underside of a bus in salt-using areas can look very bad, buses generally rust from the inside out; water gets in through gaps in the roof panels, failed light gaskets, and leaking windows, permanently soaks the plywood and then rusts through the floor. You're not really going to know had badly the floor is damaged until you rip up the plywood.
The general advice here would be "don't buy an Ohio bus" or a bus from anywhere in the NE US ( especially not from the shores of Lake Erie, where my bus hails from).
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This is the worst I’ve ever seen!
OPs pictures don’t look terrible. About how mine did. But I’ve now spent months rust prepping and having to replace all types of stuff.
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01-16-2022, 03:13 PM
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#8
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: SW USA
Posts: 2,064
Year: 2003
Coachwork: IC / Amtran
Chassis: CE300
Engine: International T444e
Rated Cap: 23
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Why is the underside the only picture they couldn't supply you? That makes zero sense. Unless, of course, it makes perfect sense to the seller for... reasons.
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01-16-2022, 04:43 PM
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#9
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Suburbs of Winterset, OH
Posts: 802
Year: 2005
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: FS65
Engine: Mercedes 6.4L
Rated Cap: just the 2 of us
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Deelya.....I'm curious...what did you guys do?
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01-22-2022, 06:31 PM
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#10
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 28
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Going from the pics. You provided, it looks really clean. That is just surface rust.
GO FOR IT.
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01-22-2022, 06:49 PM
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#11
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 2,988
Year: 86
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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ok lonejack where are you and what experience do you have to give that opinion/advice?
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