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Old 05-30-2020, 05:56 PM   #1
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What's so bad about the Vista?

I hear a lot of talk about the Vistas being bottom of the barrel on this site. And after viewing yet another thread slamming the Vista and talking a newbie down from buying one, I got to thinking. I don't even know what it is about the Vistas that everyone hates.

I get that the stubby nose is terrible for aesthetics, but what is the big issue with the Vista?
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Old 05-30-2020, 05:59 PM   #2
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I've driven a couple and ridden in a couple more. The ride is harsh. most have a list to port from the factory. engine heat and noise are harsh.
They're just shite buses. That's MY opinion. Not crapping on anyone... just talking about vistas and being honest.
Most of them are poorly outfitted. They don't really have any advantages to speak of and have a lot of shortcomings and compromises.
They're still school buses and they can definitely get a job done as Brokedown and OneNationUnderGoat have shown us. Me- I'm not masochistic enough to wana drive one far.
I think the stubby nose/aesthetic is funky and one of the only things I like about it.
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Old 05-30-2020, 06:09 PM   #3
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They're still school buses and they can definitely get a job done as Brokedown and OneNationUnderGoat have shown us. Me- I'm not masochistic enough to wana drive one far.
Oh, come now...
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Old 05-30-2020, 08:33 PM   #4
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They are the "economy" buses. Built for districts that can't or won't spend the $$ on higher end buses.

Like CB said, Brokedown and others have toured the country successfully in Vista's.

But...... Brokedown sports a Bluebird RE now
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They are the "economy" buses. Built for districts that can't or won't spend the $$ on higher end buses.

Like CB said, Brokedown and others have toured the country successfully in Vista's.

But...... Brokedown sports a Bluebird RE now
What did Vistas cost new? What did/does any bus cost new? The cost of new buses never seems to be revealed anywhere. I'm guessing they're well over a hundred grand these days but I dunno.
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Old 05-30-2020, 09:44 PM   #6
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Vistas were just budget stripped down buses for poor districts in Florida and other areas of the south that couldn't afford anything else. I think just about their only selling points were the low sticker price and the 1-(2?) additional rows of seats vs the conventional Thomas buses.



It was a poorly-designed compromise between a conventional and a flatnose bus that failed to retain the advantages of either body type. They were only made for a short period of time (mid 90s - early 2000s?) In the automotive industry they would be politely known as the answer to the question nobody asked.


The guy that actually spend the time to swap a 2000s series Allison into one is just absolutely nuts but I guess everyone has a fetish.
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It’s a cowled bus like a cutaway. WTF
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Until this thread, I had no idea that Vistas existed. I had to Google pics to see what they looked like. Funny bus, but I think I like the front end. It looks like a muscled little bull dog. Or maybe a pug, but I always thought pugs were kind of ugly. Looks are a small part of the equation.
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I totally Love the vista..



EXCEPT


well until I had to help change injecotrs on one.. cant reach half the stiuff from the doghouse, cant reach half the stuff from the short hood..



if your vista has fasctory A/C, you'll do nicely on those summer drives.. otherwise you'll cook in that greenhouse of a driver compartment. you can grill your steaks in a skillet and still drive!



Most were T444E with the Lowest HP rating and AT545's even the full size ones..



if you get a shorty the ride is well.. like any short bus.. they bounce around like a school bus.. doesnt really bother me but apparently does others..



ive never seen one with air ride.. maybe they were made but ive not found one..



in a shorty I think they are pretty cool.. I'd probably snag a vista shorty with dual A/C's and a T444E if I could find one.. just because they are quirky and i dig that kinda stuff..
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They were available with air ride. It just means your stuff behind the rear axle only jumps two feet in the air when you hit bumps instead of the requisite 4 feet.
The front suspension is the worst. It rides like it doesn't have any.
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