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09-16-2020, 11:22 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: CA
Posts: 16
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Which short chassis cutaway 4 window bus is best? Chevy or GMC?
I'm looking into short chassis 4 window cutaway minibusses. I would like to know which one y'all think is better. Chevy or GMC? Of each, which is the best model and what engine should I look for? Also what gas millage should I expect? Fuel type is preferably gas, but if you have info about diesel engines that is welcome too. Ive been finding it difficult to find the information I'm looking for and I hope that you guys can help me. (*bonus information* does anyone know of a 4 window bus that has a handicap access door?)
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09-16-2020, 12:58 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,775
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Federal Coach, Starcraft, Champion I'm sure the "added value" body work trim, seats etc differ widely, but
Aren't the core drivetrain + chassis the same between Chevy (Kodiak) / GMC (Topkick) just with a different label?
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09-16-2020, 12:59 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,775
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I'm looking for units with the 8.1L gasser btw in case anyone's got leads
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09-16-2020, 02:49 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 2,831
Year: 2007
Coachwork: Thomas Built
Chassis: Minotour
Engine: Chevy Express 3500 6.6l
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Why 4 windows? That’s really small inside. My Thomas Minotour is 14 feet behind the drivers seat and 22.5 feet overall. Can’t help On the engine specs. Isn’t a GMC a Chevy by a different name?
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09-16-2020, 03:01 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Wild Wild West
Posts: 693
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC RE
Engine: 8.3 Cummins MD3060
Rated Cap: 84
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Danjo
Why 4 windows? That’s really small inside. My Thomas Minotour is 14 feet behind the drivers seat and 22.5 feet overall. Can’t help On the engine specs. Isn’t a GMC a Chevy by a different name?
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To get technical, Chevy is GMC by a different name. Both come from General Motors Corporation. 8.1L is a great power plant. Beware, it is not made anymore so it'll eventually get harder to find parts for. Shouldn't be for quite a few years, but it is coming.
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09-16-2020, 03:09 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 19,715
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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most of the 4 window units ive seen are based on the CHevy express van / GMC savannah.. I havent seen an 8.1 in those but the 5.7 and 6.0 are great engines..
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09-16-2020, 04:24 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 3,105
Year: 86
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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my wifes 2003 chevy 3500 express cutaway has the 6.0 and is a 5 window with handicap lift is a 5 window with a collins/mid bus all metal body.
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09-16-2020, 06:19 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 1,349
Year: 1990
Coachwork: Thomas 4 window w/lift
Chassis: G30~Chevy cutaway
Engine: 5.7/350 Chevy Vortec
Rated Cap: Just me and my "stuff"?
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It's gonna basically be a wash between Chevy or GMC.
Both are pretty much fully interchangeable mechanically, if equipped identically within their respective manufactured dates.
Fuel mileage with a gas 350/400 drivetrain is about 8~10MPG. Newer electronic LS engined, 4L60/80 trans. might be better with fuel injection/overdrive?
I'd stay away from diesel power, as some have reliability issues that are expensive to repair.
You'll likely want more space, as I can tell you from experience, a 4 window is small inside.
Perfect for solo travel without too many creature comforts inside...
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09-16-2020, 06:35 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: California, Bay Area
Posts: 895
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Chevy = GMC
At least in most ways that matter. The real difference/comparison is between Chevy/GMC and Ford
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09-16-2020, 06:57 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 3,105
Year: 86
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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they only differ in name.
some say GMC is a good made chevy but the same ones say FORD means flip over to read directions.
all of the manufacturers were good until electronics and emissions. they all had issues in there beginning years.
regardless of what vehicle including busses.
never buy a vehicle that was made the first year it was introduced because even the factory doesnt have it figure out yet?
see if it makes it 5 or 6 years and look at those.
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09-16-2020, 08:52 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: CA
Posts: 16
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size
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danjo
Why 4 windows? That’s really small inside. My Thomas Minotour is 14 feet behind the drivers seat and 22.5 feet overall. Can’t help On the engine specs. Isn’t a GMC a Chevy by a different name?
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So this will be my first bus, and overall first conversion. i want a 4 window because im using it as a camper, not for living. basically i want something that i can take anywhere and fit in normal parking spots. i dont need a shower or toilet or basically anything except a bed, a sink and a sitting area. im going to go look at a 4 window cutaway this weekend just to see what size it actually is up close. if it does end up being too small, 5 windows with a handicap door should be fine. im just in the research stages right now, so im still figuring out exactly what i want.
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09-16-2020, 09:09 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: CA
Posts: 16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223
my wifes 2003 chevy 3500 express cutaway has the 6.0 and is a 5 window with handicap lift is a 5 window with a collins/mid bus all metal body.
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what are the dimensions of the 5 window?
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09-16-2020, 11:03 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,775
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I need to legally tow a 32' boat, so shorter is better.
If I found a 8.1L in 4WD I'd even pay for a chop job.
But apparently those are a unicorn fantasy, unobtanium.
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09-16-2020, 11:50 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 994
Year: 1999
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Sounds like a van would do the trick for you, maybe find one with the raised roof top.
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09-17-2020, 01:18 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 2,831
Year: 2007
Coachwork: Thomas Built
Chassis: Minotour
Engine: Chevy Express 3500 6.6l
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Quote:
Originally Posted by john61ct
I need to legally tow a 32' boat, so shorter is better.
If I found a 8.1L in 4WD I'd even pay for a chop job.
But apparently those are a unicorn fantasy, unobtanium.
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Nice! Little bus, Big boat! That sounds perfect.
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09-17-2020, 03:24 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,775
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BeNimble
Sounds like a van would do the trick for you, maybe find one with the raised roof top.
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There are a couple great quality aftermarket raised-roof vendors for nearly all the stock van sizes, one in CA of course, the other maybe Carolinas?
Not cheap, but some find true standing room essential.
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09-17-2020, 03:32 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 3,105
Year: 86
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Victoreagrace23
what are the dimensions of the 5 window?
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interior living space dimensions behind drivers seat is 12 feet long by 7 feet wide
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09-17-2020, 10:48 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: CA
Posts: 16
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i went through a whole rabbit hole from RV to cargo van, to conversion van to microbus. it just fits my needs better.
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09-23-2020, 03:54 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: TX
Posts: 28
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: E-350
Engine: 7.3 L Powerstroke
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I just bought a 4 window handicap Ford cutaway. It has about 12 feet usable behind driver. I'm also just using for camping and the occasional road trip.
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09-23-2020, 04:35 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 1
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Which is better
The GMC and The Chevy is made by General Motors. They are basically the same. I would choose a five window bus and Diesel engine. I get more power with my diesel. When adding weight like you will with a conversion you need it
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