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mplsdog 07-03-2016 05:53 PM

Considering a DT466 2002 International
 
I'm looking at the following bus, and wondering what good questions I might ask the seller?

Thanks in advance!

condition: excellent
fuel: diesel
odometer: 147000
title status: clean
transmission: manual

"We have recently taken a 2002 International out of service and am offering it for sale. It has an excellent running DT 466 diesel engine with 176,000 miles, automatic tranny, good tires, exhaust and fluid brakes. Bus has always been stored inside so the is no paint fade. Everything still works on this bus as it has recently passed a MnDOT inspection. Asking $3,500"

EastCoastCB 07-03-2016 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mplsdog (Post 154171)
I'm looking at the following bus, and wondering what good questions I might ask the seller?

Thanks in advance!

condition: excellent
fuel: diesel
odometer: 147000
title status: clean
transmission: manual

"We have recently taken a 2002 International out of service and am offering it for sale. It has an excellent running DT 466 diesel engine with 176,000 miles, automatic tranny, good tires, exhaust and fluid brakes. Bus has always been stored inside so the is no paint fade. Everything still works on this bus as it has recently passed a MnDOT inspection. Asking $3,500"

Ask em what the rear axle ratio is, the tire size and age, and if the trans is a manual or auto as both are listed above.

mplsdog 07-03-2016 07:02 PM

Thank you. I noticed the transmission thing too. I'm fairly sure it's an auto. As far as the rear axle ratio, are there advantages to certain gearing ratios?

Brad_SwiftFur 07-03-2016 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mplsdog (Post 154177)
Thank you. I noticed the transmission thing too. I'm fairly sure it's an auto. As far as the rear axle ratio, are there advantages to certain gearing ratios?

Lower numbers means higher top speed. A ratio like 5.37:1 will get you around 50-55 on the highway, a 4.11:1 will get you around 65-70. An overdrive transmission will help with top speed, too.

mplsdog 07-03-2016 07:38 PM

Thank you.

I've done a lot of research on the engine itself and it seems to be a fairly solid model, but would welcome any input on the DT 466

EastCoastCB 07-03-2016 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mplsdog (Post 154181)
Thank you.

I've done a lot of research on the engine itself and it seems to be a fairly solid model, but would welcome any input on the DT 466

They're GREAT engines. Better than even a Cummins.:hide:

Dapplecreek 07-03-2016 07:55 PM

See if you can find out which model of automatic transmission it is, too. Allison makes nearly every one I've heard of, and they are dandy from all I've heard. But the 545 does not 'lock up' so it is more appropriate for flat land (no engine braking going down a hill). This might or might not be important to you.

If the tires were replaced at some point you're likely to be OK, but original tires would now be 14 years old. Conventional wisdom suggests replacing them at ten years regardless of tire wear. Look for the date codes on the side walls: they should look like "*DOT1309*" or some such: first two digits are the week and the last two are the year. [Others: if I got that wrong, please correct me - I am, after all, a book learner and do not have hands-on experience. Yet.]

mplsdog 07-03-2016 07:59 PM

Great info! I'm somewhat hopeful the bus was well maintained, it's just been retired from a district, with latest dot inspection. I will ask those questions.

Thanks so much.

Kubla 07-03-2016 08:25 PM

if you get the vin and go to the local international dealer, they can print out the build sheet that has all that information

Stu & Filo. T 07-05-2016 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by EastCoastCB (Post 154185)
They're GREAT engines. Better than even a Cummins.:hide:

Now your just being mean.

Stu & Filo. T 07-05-2016 08:25 PM

And wheres the g

EastCoastCB 07-05-2016 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu & Filo. T (Post 154416)
And wheres the g

I got a chuckle from that one! :rofl:

mplsdog 07-06-2016 12:23 PM

So...

Allison 2500 transmission
He's going to send VIN
DT466 was rebuilt at 150,000 (new sleeve?)
Tires are okay, changed once since 2002, he thought about 1/2 tread

I'm going to look at it this weekend, will take pictures of undercarriage. Other suggested photos for this group to look at?

Brad_SwiftFur 07-06-2016 01:31 PM

Might wanna check the rear end gear ratio, should be a small plate on it.

Check around the wheel wells for rust. Floor cross-beams too. Date codes on tires (especially the rears which could possibly be retreads). Probably more that I can't think of right now.

EastCoastCB 07-06-2016 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mplsdog (Post 154468)
So...

Allison 2500 transmission
He's going to send VIN
DT466 was rebuilt at 150,000 (new sleeve?)
Tires are okay, changed once since 2002, he thought about 1/2 tread

I'm going to look at it this weekend, will take pictures of undercarriage. Other suggested photos for this group to look at?

Sounds like a good bus.

mplsdog 07-06-2016 03:07 PM

Thanks.

He did mention some undercarriage rust, but said it hadn't rusted through, to be expected on a Midwest rig.

Ideas on whether $3500 would be a good price (given no major showstoppers) for this bus? Should I counter with a lower offer? So much variance on prices, it's hard to tell, but I think I'm set on the DT466 and less than 200k on the bus.

EastCoastCB 07-06-2016 03:24 PM

I guess I missed something about the rust?
Depends on how much rust we're talkin here, but I'd likely move on and start with one that's not rusty to begin with.

mplsdog 07-06-2016 03:41 PM

I'll take a look and try to get a few good photos, but I would think you'd be hard pressed to find one from 2002 without under body rust? I'll see what it looks like and take pics.

EastCoastCB 07-06-2016 04:02 PM

My 92 bought 18 months ago doesn't have any appreciable rust underneath.
Not only does the rust never sleep- it makes it a pita to work on anything.

mplsdog 07-06-2016 04:39 PM

Cool. I'll assess the amount and go from there. My sister lives in Denver so I might watch the CL there as well.


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