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Steve 11-28-2003 07:27 PM

What kind of mileage do you get?
This is big question, especially for those who are just starting out.

lapeer20m 11-29-2003 04:10 PM

I have a 1991 Ford Ward 72 passenger with a Ford inline 6 cylinder 6.6L turbo and it gets 8.5 mpg with or without the jazuzzi being full of water

EldoMike 11-30-2003 05:44 PM

Just made a 5000 mile trip with our 8.2L Bus with 6.17 rear.....8.5 mpg.....sure hope I can find another rear end soon.....


John Chance 12-31-2003 12:28 AM

1991 International BlueBird with DT360 & AT545
I drove my newly purcahsed diesel bus back to Texas from Baltimore, Maryland and got an average of 9 mpg. I really kept the thing pegging the governor...from 2800 to 3000 rpm for most of the trip whenver possible. It ran smoothly and didn't use any oil whatsoever. Love that bus. :D

Vern1 07-14-2004 07:25 AM

I haven't answered until now because I only drove it home and on short trips to keep it running and now I actually have a couple of trips under the old girl and LIFE IS GOOD!
With the genset running, because it's HOT here in central Texas (it runs off of the bus gas tank, so it drinks a little) I am getting a little over 6 MPG in my 66 passenger International gas with automatic. It is completely self contained and weighs 15550 empty. Loaded down for a 3-4 day trip with 3 people aboard probably adds another 2000 pounds.
Still well under the 26000 gross and just off of the overload springs, so the ride is pretty good, but it hits hard when it does touch the overloads!

Steve 08-11-2004 04:43 PM

I finally took my bus on its first out of state trip. I drove it up to a lake in South Western Minnesotta.

I made a 50 mile pure interstate run just before leaving to get a rough estimate on gas mileage and range. On that pure interstate run I manage 10.3 MPG

During a two hour drive half on the trip the average fuel economy ended up being 6.64 MPG.

My bus is a 54 Pass with a 345 CI International V8

Ron 11-27-2004 11:17 AM

My bus is a 1990 72 passenger Bluebird with a 5.9 litre Cummins and 4 speed Allison automatic. I did the conversion myself to accomodate our other hobby of showing Purebred dogs (we travel with about 20 in the kennel section at the rear and up to 4 humans in the front). Over the past 6 months we've put approximately 5000 km on it travelling from our home in south eastern Ontario (east of Toronto) to various locations including Philadelphia, Cincinnati, and Kalamazoo. I've calculated our mileage over that period of time to be 10 miles per US gallon. 99% of the time I drive it with my foot on the floor at around 90 to 95 km/hr or 60 mph. I run Mobil Delvac 1 5W40 Synthetiic oil in the engine. Realistically, I feel that's about as good as you can get for this size of vehicle.

JonCBrand 11-29-2004 08:15 PM

Foot on the floor driving.
Do most of you out there drive with the pedal floored when cruising?

Les Lampman 11-30-2004 05:02 PM

I'm pretty much right there with Ron...pedal to the floor gives me just under 60 and I average just a shade over 9mpg (DT466 diesel). I'd like to re-gear to get the rpm down some but then I'd probably have to have the fuel pump recalibrated to give me a bit more horsepower. Right now it climbs the mountains quite nicely. I'll see how it does once I get the 'real' conversion finished.

lapeer20m 11-30-2004 08:48 PM

i have the 6.6 liter ford, and i drive it all the way to the floor. According to the mechanic, the bus drivers do the same thing. Over 276,000 miles on the original engine and still going!

skoolie_grease 04-01-2005 10:31 AM

ram implosion wing for better mileage
there's a guy who's making a 'ram implosion wing' that looks like a spoiler that sits on the top of the vehicle and essentially creates a wind tunnel through which you drive once you get to about 50-60 mph.

there are loads of field reports that people are writing in saying how much it improved their mileage and on what type of vehicle.

no one with a skoolie, yet, but if anyone is up for the test, i'm sure it would benefit us all to get a little more out of our tanks.

i'm going to put one on my short bus when i get up the $ to buy a kit.

here are a couple of links to the info: ... Wing/data/

adamb 01-14-2006 09:12 AM

My bus is a 59 passenger Thomas with a 366 Chevy (gas) engine. I've been playing around with driving speed vs. fuel efficiency. It seems I can nearly double my fuel efficiency when driving 55-60 as opposed to 70-75, according to my speedometer. When pushing it hard, I may get as low as 3.7 mpg or so. When taking it easy, I've seen as high as 7 mpg and slightly above. I'm yet to determine what my rear gear ratio is, since the tag was completely wore out on it. I'd love to change the rear end, or put some different gears in so I could get better mileage at the higher speeds. I guess for me, and I imagine most anyone, if you're not in a hurry, driving slower can really pay off, especially with gas prices now.

adamb 01-14-2006 09:18 AM

Here's a question - What kind of gasoline does everyone use? I've always just pumped the cheapest into my bus, which is usually around 87 octane with ethanol (up to 10%). I've always heard that ethanol doesn't get the mileage as regular gas does. Do you think a person could achieve better mileage with higher octane, non-ethanol, more expensive gasoline? If there was an increase in mileage, would it cover the higher cost of the fuel?

lapeer20m 01-16-2006 12:51 PM

i expiremented with different grade fuels using my little vw fox last spring on my way from michigan to texas and back. I almost always put the cheapest fuel in my vehicles, but for the trip, i tried several tanks full with 87 octane and carefully checking mileage, then repeated the expirement with premium higher octane fuel. To my suprise, my mileage increased slightly with the premium fuel. The extra cost to fill the tank was negated by the couple extra miles per gallon i gained. In the end, I decided that i wasn't saving any money by using the more expensive fuel, but it wasn't costing me anything either. I just didn't have to fill my tank as often.

I think it would be interested to see the expiement repeated in a skoolie.

Jarlaxle 02-12-2006 11:02 AM

1984 Ford B-700 here, 460 with a Holley Economaster, 5-speed Spicer, highway gears (60MPH is ~23-2400RPM), 10R22.5 drive tires--about 7MPG, 87-octane gas.

KevinCoughlin 02-25-2006 12:51 PM

What kind of mileage?
I just brought home my 1983 International S1700, 392 V-8 running propane into an Allison automatic (non-lockup type) and a 6.57 rear end. Averaged 55 mph - and too high an rpm to do it (got some work to do in this beast!). Averaged 3.25 mpg - of course, propane has less "oomph" per gallon than gas so some of that is expected. Fix the transmission slippage, and maybe a new rear end ratio - I hope to bump that up a bit.

Sturgeon1 02-27-2006 04:48 PM

With mine, if I keep my old Holly carb in good shape... which means rebuilding about every 5 years or so.... I get a good solid 8mpg. Not too bad for a 33' land yacht. cheers! sturgy

hoser 04-27-2006 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by adamb
My bus is a 59 passenger Thomas with a 366 Chevy (gas) engine. I've been playing around with driving speed vs. fuel efficiency. It seems I can nearly double my fuel efficiency when driving 55-60 as opposed to 70-75, according to my speedometer. When pushing it hard, I may get as low as 3.7 mpg or so. When taking it easy, I've seen as high as 7 mpg and slightly above. I'm yet to determine what my rear gear ratio is, since the tag was completely wore out on it. I'd love to change the rear end, or put some different gears in so I could get better mileage at the higher speeds. I guess for me, and I imagine most anyone, if you're not in a hurry, driving slower can really pay off, especially with gas prices now.

Any idea what RPM's your 366 is running at 70 mph?

I have a 87 Chevy with the 366 dunno the ratio either but its about 3600 RPM at 65 mph I got about 6 mpg running around the country side just taking a joy ride running 60-65 mph

Will it hurt the 366 to run 3600 RPM for the next 40k miles? Anybody know the design RPM ?

the_experience03 04-27-2006 11:08 AM

The 366 is a well built industrial gasser. This means all the internals are forged including the crank, rods, and pistons. Unfortunately it has big block mass and they are notoriously unbalanced. That tends to lend them well to a long life of low rpm cruising. That said...I know a guy who uses the crank from a 366 in his 406 BBC powered mud racer because they're cheap and the forged nature makes them strong. Out the backdoor of the race track he's turning 6500 rpm (1:1 tranny ratio, 1.96 t-case, 5.38 gears, 38.5 boggers).

I think it would be better to slow that motor down, but on the otherhand....I think you'll have a hard time killing it. Install an oil cooler and perhaps a HVHP oil pump (cheap for a big block chevy) just to make sure everything stays well lubed and cool. If it weren't for those stupid peanut ports, I think a 366 would make a great rodding motor, especially with that tall deck for running a long stroke :)

sportyrick 08-15-2006 04:38 PM

gas mileage
22,000 pounds in RV form when empty (no bikes, camping gear etc), 427 gas motor, allison, 10:00R20 tires, 6:83 rearend, 3200 RPM at 60 MPH and i get 6.1 MPG with a load, probably a little better unloaded. drops to 5 MPG in a 40 MPH headwind across S.D. rides like a dream, was comtemplating air ride but rides fine as is. sportyrick

The Slims 08-28-2006 12:06 PM

Well we just took our first trip (to Bristol, TN) and managed about 9.5 MPG with quite a few hills although we're still pretty empty inside. We we're unable to get an average for the entire trip since we broke an injector line and pumped out a BUNCH of deisel before we noticed and could get off the mountain we were on at the time. Side note: We miraculously found a replacement line in Johnson City and were back on the road in no time.


the_experience03 08-28-2006 08:03 PM

Isn't that a pain? I disconnected my veggie oil return line prior to leaving for one reason or another and never hooked it back up. Well this meant there was nothing holding up the slid down and the valve on the veggie oil side was popped open. I'm sure SOME fuel returned to the diesel tank at the time, but I KNOW a lot more just kind of pumped all over the engine compartment. Oh well...such is life. A piece of speaker wire did a darn find job holding the apparatus up and out of the way so it never happened again.

JoeA 12-28-2006 06:26 PM

mileage,engine,gearing &gvwt?
I get 8-10 regardless of terrain. Usually closer to 8. I have dt466. It has 4:76 gear ratio. I never have my foot to the floor to maintain speed. once its up to speed I actually don't press it all that much, just enough to keep it pushing those low gear ratios. This is why I think 4:10 gears would be fine. I might get a steady 10 with an occasional plus or better(10-12), run quieter at 55 and get a top speed of 67mph at the same rpms 55mph is now. I would love opinions on this. In fact I may post a whole new forum on this for feedback. My GVWT 25,800. I actually weigh 19,500 with full fuel and 55 gal of water and all my belongings. I live in this thing.

kotflb 12-29-2006 03:53 AM

Hello JoeA, I too have the DT466, but mine is not aftercooled. I bought my bus 900+ miles from home and got 10mpg (actually 10.4 mpg) on that trip. The bus had all the seats in it and weighed 19.490, full of fuel. Mine has the MT643 trans and 4:44 axle ratio. I was running 60mph at 2260 rpm, on 295-75/22.5 tires.

I've talked to several owners and drivers of m/d trucks that are running this same engine and some have the auto trans, while others have the the 5 speed 1:1 high gear and most of these guys have the 4:10 axle ratio. Of the ones that run several states with this setup, they are not happy campers, when trying to average 65 mph. Now there trucks will hold 65mph, but the fuel mileage is better at 6o to 62 mph. And some of the ones that own their own are even talking about changing their axle ratios down to 3.7 and even 3.55 for faster cruising and less engine noise. Of course these trucks run over 2k miles a week so maybe they know whats what with these power trains. I'm taking the wait and see approach, I too would like to get a 65mph cruise speed down to less than 2000 rpm.

Les Lampman 12-29-2006 08:26 AM

Hey Joe,

Those numbers don't work out quite right; all the charts I found on the 245/75R22.5 tires say they're 37.1" to 37.4" in diameter.

What speeds at what rpm's are you getting now?

This is the online calculator I've used for all my computations:

I have a DT466 in my 1979 Blue Bird full size (66 pax) bus. I drove home from Denver to north of Seattle and made three round trips (1400 miles each) to northern California from NW Washington. Lots of hills on all my trips! On the flats I get just a hair over 9 mpg (usually about 9.2) , in the hills I'll drop into the low 7's. On the trips to California I average about 8.5 mpg.

I run at 55 mph at 2400 rpm. Wide open, foot on the floor, hoping for a tailwind speed is about 57 to 58 mph at 2600 rpm.

If you use 2600 as the rpm, 4.10 for the rear-end, 1.1 for the final gear ratio (allowing 10% slip on the AT545), and 37.1 for the tire diameter that comes out to 63.6 mph. You'd be around 2450 rpm for a 60 mph cruise.

To get to your hoped for numbers it seems you'll have to go a little numerically lower for your rear-end. A ratio of 3.70 would give you 60 mph at 2200 rpm and 70 mph at 2600 rpm (is that your governed rpm?).

What's really hurting you are those itty-bitty tires; do you have room for something taller (like 11R22.5)?

JoeA 01-06-2007 05:04 PM

Thanks y'all
Thanks for all the great info. i'm on vacation and will have a chance to reply in a few days.

JoeA 01-14-2007 02:14 PM

yeah the tires are low profile and a 35" diameter.
You are right, my calculations are a bit off I would be about 63mph at the same rpms i am now running 50-55

60mph @2260rpm doesn't sound too bad for your 295 tires

KevinCoughlin 02-05-2007 01:09 PM

Just took a longer trip - my bus (66 passenger, no outrageous body work or lifts, 392 V-8 international running propane, not gasoline) was being used as a moving truck. Fully loaded nose to tail, and towing a Geo Tracker, over the mountain passes from Seattle to Spokane. I found my stock tach was bad - it actually cruises at 55mph at 3200 rpm (the "sweet spot), 60 is about 3500 (what I was driving) and 3600 is redline. Most of the trip was at 60. The passes slowed me to about 25 to 35 mph.

My first trip with the empty bus bringing it home from the school bus yard (200 miles) I averaged 3.25 mpg at about 50 - 55 mph, totally empty and mostly flat. Now, with MSD ignition, fresh tuneup, proper advance timing for propane, and a cold air intake running at 60, fully loaded with a car in tow, I still got 3.25 mpg. VERY frustrating. (The passes were actually 2.85 mpg).

Either - propane is MUCH more inefficient as a motor fuel than gas.... or there are still some things I just haven't found to fix. I may have to drop a 4 bbl carb on there just to try it with gasoline - but at this mileage it means a new bus (can you say Crown? 10 speed?) is in my future for long trips.

Still.... the ride fully loaded was nice - it drove like a dream - and I never even noticed the toad was behind me except when looking for a place to park. Maybe a turbo?

I did notice that ALL the big diesel trucks have much lower front bumpers and air dams for aerodynamic reasons, and all the school buses out there have these "wings" on the back to break up the airflow over the tail. This seems to be a cheap and easy modification - I'll have to try that as well.

pete c 02-11-2007 12:43 PM

I own you guys!!!! :lol: 18 mpg, 22 ft '86 toyota sunrader. 22RE auto.

I just bought this thing and plan on doing a lap around the country this summer. Reading this board and a few others though have got me jonesin' for a bus....real bad. Problem is, I hate the thought of settling for 10 mpg. I think it can be beat.

What is the most economical engine to run? I am guessing that the 5.9 cummins in a shortbus with a 5 speed and hiway gears ought to do pretty well. This engine will get low twenties pulling a 1 ton dodge pick'em up. I would think that a light shortbus, sorry, no jacuzzi, driven at 55 mph ought to be able to break 15. Which means if I buy that dude's silly wing, I'll get 45, right? :lol: :lol:

Are there short buses out there with this setup?

Excalibrate 03-12-2007 10:33 AM

Depends on how fast I wanna go. At 68 to 70 I only get about 8.5 but with a little more patience (60 to 62) I'm only at 2200 rpms and get nearly 11. TC2000 35' 5.9 AT545 4.33 and 41" tires. Heck I'm happy with that . . .

BTW if you calculate cubic footage per mile per gallon I beat the heck outa that toyota. It's like Einstein says "It's all relative to your perspective" :lol:

the_experience03 03-12-2007 07:18 PM

Cubic footage per mile :lol: I've never heard that before, but it makes sense. I think trains that get 20 gallons to the mile (yes, gallons to the mile) win. Last I heard it took 1 gallon of fuel to move 1 ton of freight about 400 miles.

oakspring 03-25-2007 10:37 AM

Big Gary: 30 ft, 54 passenger International S1800 Thomas Built Bus

Engine: 9.0L Diesel
Trans: AT545 Allison 4 SPD Automatic
Rear: Spicer 6.50 ratio

Fuel MPG:
High: 13.41 mpg
Low: 4.04 mpg
Avg: 7.47 mpg


Las Vegas, NV......Starting point
Boron, NV............183.5 miles....28.402 gallons....6.46 mpg
Bakersfield, CA....113.7 miles....15.720 gallons....7.23 mpg
Madera, CA..........121.8 miles....15.898 gallons....7.66 mpg
Willows, CA..........226.6 miles....23.578 gallons....9.61 mpg
Redding, CA..........71.9 miles....17.800 gallons....4.04 mpg Tough hills and mountain climb
Eureka, CA..........162.2 miles....15.133 gallons....10.72 mpg
Shingletown, CA...176.0 miles....33.975 gallons....5.18 mpg
Reno, NV.............174.3 miles....13.001 gallons....13.41 mpg Very flat out running
Rye Patch, NV......112.2 miles....14.870 gallons....7.55 mpg
Carlin, NV............152.2 miles....29.790 gallons....5.11 mpg
Wells, NV..............72.7 miles....14.290 gallons....5.09 mpg
Lakepoint, UT.......157.4 miles....17.986 gallons....8.75 mpg
Evanston, WY.......105.8 miles....17.865 gallons....5.92 mpg
Rawlings, WY........208.6 miles....25.658 gallons....8.13 mpg
Larkspur, CO........283.4 miles....39.301 gallons....7.21 mpg
Pueblo, CO.............66.3 miles end of trip

As you can see the mileage per gallon varies quite a bit dependent upon the terrain. Also consider the configuration of your rig. One of the reasons I want to change out my rear end gearing is to improve highway speeds and gas mileage, but in doing so I will loose some climbing muscle for tackling hills and mountains. Such is life.

I hope this helps

the_experience03 03-25-2007 07:54 PM

That's a cool list! It's tough to get accurate numbers in a single tank just because the diesel fuel foams so much.

It's interesting that your mileage varies so much. Mine varies by maybe 2 mpg total. The worst tank I've seen is about 6.5 mpg and the best was ovre 8, but 8 mpg is a pretty solid figure to bank on for me.

oakspring 03-25-2007 08:18 PM

This trip covers a lot of various terrain, from flat cross country driving to gradual climbing to city, to step hard climbs pulling serious grades and some pretty tough combinations of all of the above. The best mileage of course was on the long level steady flats, hills and mountains are the worse. But it's important to realize that you can have a lot of variation.

I'm hoping with a new set of gears in the rear end I can improve both the speed and gas mileage.

the_experience03 03-25-2007 08:45 PM

My worst mileage was across North Dakota which happens to be as flat as any state I've ever seen. It doesn't matter which direction you're traveling in across North will ALWAYS have a 25 mph headwind.

Excalibrate 03-26-2007 09:11 AM

Sounds kinda like the story your grandparents told you about having to walk to school, barefoot, in the snow, uphill, both ways! :P

boojiewoojie 08-08-2007 10:02 PM

Re: What kind of milleage do you get?
Okay, just took a long trip (5,326 miles) so I think I have a good idea what my mpg (or lack therof) is.
Low: 6.3 (Redding, CA to Reno, NV)
High: 9.0 (Cheyenne, WY to North Platte, NE)
Average: 7.43
I filled up 22 times (60 gallon tank so I always stopped every 300 miles). We went from Lewisburg, TN to Reno, NV to Ferndale, CA and back. I hate driving the interstate but we had limited time so we went all interstate. On the way out I had a canoe and a small airplane fuselage strapped to the top and on the way back had the same canoe and two 2'x4'x8 boxes of foam strapped to the top. I did get asked if I was on my way to Burning Man...
My bus has an air throttle so I never had my foot all the way to the floor. Even though I kept an eye on the exhaust (it has a driver's side exit) to keep it in the "sweet spot" I don't know if it really made a difference. Level speed is 62 mph (verified by the radar speed limit signs), down a 6% hill is 65 mph and I actually hit 70 once. My slowest speed was 15 mph going up the I-80 grade outside Salt Lake City and several other times. I love the scenery at slow speeds... I got pulled over by a sheriff's deputy comeing from Susanville, CA to Reno for "impeding traffic". Didn't get a ticket since it was one lane construction and there was no place to pull off. My wife thinks they pulled us over so they could check the bus out- she overheard one of the deputys tell the dispatcher that it was a "cool bus conversion"...
With my non-turbo'd 3208 I can pretty much tell my altitude- the higher it is the more it smokes. Here in Tennessee it doesn't really smoke at all.
My favorite state was Wyoming- one of the jokes posted at the welcome center:
"When the wind stops blowing the cows fall over." The wind blew so hard it shifted the load on top about 8" to one side.

DizzyIzzy 10-03-2007 04:06 PM

Re: What kind of milleage do you get?
Now I have only drivin my bus from Wisconsin to Georgia. But on the ride I averaged around 11mpg. It was a hoot to drive too.

FACPTECH 03-09-2008 12:58 PM

Re: What kind of milleage do you get?
New kid on the block, having just found this website.....and I must say, Thank God, 'cause I've been a-lookin' for a looooong time!

Recently purchased a 1989 Chevy 72 (?) passenger Blue Bird, ripped out the seats and did the conversion myself. ((Pictures coming soon)).
I had expectations of 5mpg (or worse) with the 366 ci motor and auto tranny, so on our first trip, I kept the speed around 55-60 mph. I approached the gas pump with an open mind, but was ecstatic to find I had averaged 8.8 mpg. I don't have a tach (yet) so I don't know what rpm it turns at that speed, but it sounds fairly high, maybe 3300 or so? I do know that a couple of times (downhill) I hit 65-70, and it sounded as though pistons and valves were about to leave their respective places within the motor, so I kept it under 60mph from them on. The second fill-up was only 8.5, but most of that was in the Ozark mountains of Arkansas, and it's tough to get above 40-45 mph on those windy roads.

Has anyone successfully replaced their rear-end with a higher gear ratio, and at least maintained their mpg? I would love to be able to cruise at 60-65 mph, and not have the motor turn near red-line like that. I would think it would last much longer.

Billsman 04-01-2008 12:30 AM

Re: What kind of milleage do you get?
I'm at 11-12 miles a gallon.

talk2cfs 04-30-2008 10:46 AM

Re: What kind of milleage do you get?
Anyone pulling a boat or trailer or car with their bus? If so what kind of milage you getting? Thanks

KevinCoughlin 04-30-2008 10:58 AM

Re: What kind of milleage do you get?
Pulling a 2500 pound car behind a bus that is 25000 pounds is a pretty small difference. I never noticed that my Geo Tracker was behind the bus except on corners when I could see it in the rear view. No perceptible difference in acceleration, and I can't think that the weight of the toad made that much mileage difference. The 10,000 pounds of "stuff" packed inside the bus cut me down about 1/2 a mile per gallon......

KevinCoughlin 06-09-2008 02:21 PM

Re: What kind of milleage do you get?
Another propane powered bus in my driveway - this one is a 1975 Carpenter.... National chassis, Ford 534 "Super Duty" engine, and propane powered from the beginning. The 534 Superduty in gas used to get 2 - 3 miles per gallon.... mine just finished a trip from Seattle area to Spokane. 55 to 60 mph (max) with Snoqualmie pass in the middle of the trip - I burned 131 gallons of LPG to equate to 2.68 mpg. The speedo did not work, but I used the trip odometer function of my GPS (which also was the speedo). The only working gauges were tach, and brake air pressure!


hoser 06-09-2008 05:31 PM

Re: What kind of milleage do you get?

Originally Posted by KevinCoughlin
Another propane powered bus in my driveway - this one is a 1975 Carpenter.... National chassis, Ford 534 "Super Duty" engine, and propane powered from the beginning. The 534 Superduty in gas used to get 2 - 3 miles per gallon.... mine just finished a trip from Seattle area to Spokane. 55 to 60 mph (max) with Snoqualmie pass in the middle of the trip - I burned 131 gallons of LPG to equate to 2.68 mpg. The speedo did not work, but I used the trip odometer function of my GPS (which also was the speedo). The only working gauges were tach, and brake air pressure!



How much a gallon is the propane?

KevinCoughlin 06-09-2008 06:34 PM

Re: What kind of milleage do you get?
Propane fills ranged from 2.78 per gallon to 3.09.

hoser 06-12-2008 11:06 AM

Re: What kind of milleage do you get?

Originally Posted by busnutz
I don’t have a bus anymore …we bought a little motorhome that turns out needs a $4500.00 engine rebuild :lol: …

So to keep from getting depressed I’ve been collecting links pertinent to fuel & mileage in hopes of one day driving this motorhome .
Here’s a good site where you can find the best price on fuel in your locales.

And KOA put out a neat little Fuel Estimator where you enter , the price of fuel ,your MPG and the distance you’ll travel and the estimator tells you how much you’ll pay for that journey.

What engine cost 4500 to rebuild, what exactly is wrong with your current engine?

hoser 06-12-2008 11:38 AM

Re: What kind of milleage do you get?

Originally Posted by busnutz
It's a 440 V-8 big block ... and I have'nt seen any better prices for a rebuild here in Eugene....
at least not from a mechanic we would trust.

Looked into buying a rebuilt engine from Auto parts dealers and found out even though theyre a good buy at approx. $1600.00... 3 out of ten fail.
I don't want to be one of those 3.
I also don't want to buy some junkyard engine because there's no way to actually know if theyre any good until you pull them apart.

Since the price surprises you ...Perhaps you can tell us all for future reference how to go about getting a cheap rebuild that can be trusted to run well.

440 so I assume its a dodge?

I rebuild my own engines I assume your price includes removing and reinstalling the engine not just the rebuild?

What exactly is wrong with your current engine?

Jarlaxle 12-04-2008 06:41 PM

Re: What kind of milleage do you get?
Jasper can get you a rebuilt engine...they do good work (many fleets use them for rebuilds), and many have shops that install their engines.

Alternately, I think Mopar Performance offers rebuilt 440's.

bk2valve 12-10-2008 08:17 AM

Re: What kind of milleage do you get?
Just for comparison, I just had my Dodge 361 engine rebuilt by a local machine shop that has been in business for 30 years. I had them pull the engine, complete rebuild including repair of a couple of block cracks, new clutch throwout bearing and reinstall engine. The oil and antifreeze was replaced and the total including $204.00 tax was $3050.00. I got a quote from another local rebuilder before I chose one, of $3000 for just the rebuild alone. I do not think that your guys are really that far out of line at all especially if you are going to feel confident that the shop is that good. I have a friend who is a city mechanic here in the town I live in and he told me I was getting a smokin' deal. I worked as a mechanic myself and after meeting and talking with my guys and seeing their shop and what they do (one of the owner/machinists is a Mopar nut) I feel very confident and that goes a long way with me. Good luck and happy trails....
Brian in NM

bk2valve 12-10-2008 08:31 AM

Re: What kind of milleage do you get?
One thing that is always interesting to me is that when folks figure mileage they assume that the pumps are registering accurate gallonage. Well guys, they don't. That is just the truth. In America they are often only checked once a year at best. I have been told that it can be as often as every three years....I don't know about you but I have bought fuel that came through pumps that look older than I am and that is old! It is kind of like meat inspections, the inspectors are far and few between and if they hit a meat packer once in a while, they are doing good. Same with the bureau of weights and measures...when was the last time you saw them checking a station's pumps? Looking at the inspection stamps on the pumps is a good idea but are you going to move to another station if they are last year's stamp?
I read a great book about a very anal Canadian with a Class C motorhome who drove all the way to Panama and back. He had multi-liter sized containers and he would compare the amount pumps were actually giving to what they said they were giving. Not so good here in the US but off the scales in Mexico and Central America....not even close. Your call but I always take mpg claims with a grain of salt....
Brian in NM

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