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david.dgeorge07 05-18-2017 09:22 AM

Willing to give some advice? Purchasing.
 
I'm located in Chattanooga, TN and shopping for a bus to convert. I've been reading a lot and trying to digest. I found a craigslist ad for some busses in GA that are not too far from me.

I don't have link privileges yet, but here is the description:

Have 3 1997 Genesis School buses with diesel engine, automatic trans. Good tires, glass, very good bodies and paint. Take your choice for $4750. each. - See at Welch Industries, 650 Red Oak Rd. Stockbridge, GA 30281 --

I emailed for a little more info and found that all three are still available. The listing has been up for coming up on 2 weeks. He gave the following additional info: DT466 engine, automatic trans. 72 (student) passenger.

They are transit style busses. There's only one picture in the ad, but as much as one can tell from a single photo they look like reasonably well looked after busses. I'm sure if you do a google search on craigslist you can find it easily. Has this as the main caption: 1997 Genesis School Bus - $4750 (Stockbridge)

Does anyone know if these busses would be mechanically injected? Any chance they would have air ride?

Robin97396 05-18-2017 10:47 AM

David, welcome to the community.

Here's some advice. Broaden your search.

https://www.govdeals.com/
Go to "Buses, Transit and School - 102 items"

https://www.govliquidation.com/login

Public Surplus: Browse all categories

We could guess all day about what equipment is in the three buses you found. I like the year because you're probably looking at mechanical engines. You could very well save one or two thousand off the purchase price.

Good luck.

PNW_Steve 05-18-2017 12:28 PM

https://charlotte.craigslist.org/rvs/6121008926.html

david.dgeorge07 05-18-2017 12:33 PM

I've looked at hundreds of busses online, but finding everything in one bus has been difficult. I figured a bus that I could look at and that is hopefully more rust free from a life in the south was a good place to start. Open to things farther away if I can find a way to get confidence.

I just got off the phone with the seller. They each have right around 100k miles on them. Around 36' in length. I like pretty much everything about what I'm seeing so far, but the asking price is higher than I would like - although the low miles is attractive - and I really hear that air ride is worth it.

david.dgeorge07 05-18-2017 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PNW_Steve (Post 204279)

That's the one! Thanks!

EastCoastCB 05-18-2017 01:41 PM

TN has better buses than GA.
FL and GA beat the snot out of em, rob parts off em, then sell em after they sit for a few more years.

Robin97396 05-18-2017 02:52 PM

I think it should be obvious that if a bus is missing parts, you're already scraping the bottom of the proverbial barrel. If you know what you're dealing with, i.e. replacing a bad set of injectors, you can get yourself a pretty guy buy. At the same time scavenged vehicles can be missing things most of us don't even think to look for.

Buy a functioning complete bus from the bus barn in states that don't trash their old buses. A bus that's been sitting empty for several years is going to have problems of some sort, beyond the light skim of mold that starts growing on everything.

CaptSquid 05-18-2017 07:24 PM

Midwest Transit Equipment | New Buses and Used Buses for Sale

DoubleO7 05-18-2017 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EastCoastCB (Post 204293)
TN has better buses than GA.
FL and GA beat the snot out of em, rob parts off em, then sell em after they sit for a few more years.

Depends on the "richness" of the school district.

Although your not likely to find a mountain climbing equipped bus in FL or most of GA.
And if it is a route bus it might not go faster than 50, but that is true in every state.

EastCoastCB 05-18-2017 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DoubleO7 (Post 204411)
Depends on the "richness" of the school district.

Although your not likely to find a mountain climbing equipped bus in FL or most of GA.
And if it is a route bus it might not go faster than 50, but that is true in every state.

Even the rich districts here run their low-spec buses into the ground. Then the exporters pay 8-15 grand whether they're running or not.

david.dgeorge07 05-20-2017 10:43 AM

Found a few more options:

Option 1:
https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?f...55&acctid=4438
2002 International 3800 BUS, 7.6L L6 DIESEL. School Bus purchased new by Stewart County Schools. (72 Capacity); Runs & Drives Good; Used to transport students through May 15, 2017. Minor dents and dings on the bus body, but expected after being used 15 years - extended one extra year - total of 16 years on the road. PS; Air Brakes; 60 gal fuel tank; Tires -- fair; can be drove from our lot.

Current bid is $1000. 4 Days left on auction. Talked to head mechanic for school district (this is in TN) and it is a DT466 motor. Engine resleeved and tranny rebuilt 20k ago. My thoughts: Only cons I see are poor tire quality and not-air ride. Prob worth $2k to $3k.

Option 2:
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/cto/6103678733.html
This is a 1998 Blue Bird bus that is in good condition in the interior and exterior with only 138k on miles. Make a good project for a Party bus! Model:: TC FE 7200 6 Cyl. It runs well and no known issues. I think this was a 72 pass bus.

I spoke with the seller and he told me the following: air ride, air brakes, new tires, Cummins motor but not sure displacement. Heat but no AC. Governed at 68mph. Asking $5500.

My thoughts: not sure if mechanical or electronic - anyone here know? Likely the 5.9 motor, which seems like it might be small in a full size bus. This is the first bus I've actually come across with air ride and that is really attractive to me. Painted white - looks nice.

Option 3:
No link - post expired, but seller active responding to me.
2000 Model year Thomas. Cummins 5.9. Leaf sprung. Brand new tires. Aluminum wheels. Air Brakes. 20k original miles. 78 pass. Leaf sprung. Asking $5k.

My thoughts: seems like a small engine for such a big bus. Open to opinions about this.

I would love to have you experts weigh in!

david.dgeorge07 05-20-2017 10:45 AM

Wait, here is an active link for option 3:
https://knoxville.craigslist.org/cto/6107931759.html

Versatile 05-20-2017 01:00 PM

#2
Looks good to me. Unfamiliar with that engine. Tire Age? Condition.

#3 I like also

david.dgeorge07 05-20-2017 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Versatile (Post 204780)
#2
Looks good to me. Unfamiliar with that engine. Tire Age? Condition.

#3 I like also

Looks like you have a full size bus with the 5.9 that is the same year. Can you tell me what your experience has been? Turbo? Mechanical or electronic ignition? Powerful enough?

Thanks for sharing!

cowlitzcoach 05-20-2017 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by david.dgeorge07 (Post 204747)
Wait, here is an active link for option 3:
https://knoxville.craigslist.org/cto/6107931759.html


This looks like a pretty nice bus to me and the price is a bit on the low side considering the miles on the bus.

It also has the advantage of not being yellow.

cowlitzcoach 05-20-2017 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PNW_Steve (Post 204279)

These look like pretty nice buses.

Welch Industries is best known as THE place to go for coach A/C parts, pieces, service, or upgrades. They have only recently gotten into used bus sales.

cowlitzcoach 05-20-2017 03:18 PM

Option #2 appears to be a pretty nice looking bus as well and the price doesn't look out of line.

I would want to know exactly which engine and transmission it has.

Of all of the options I would go with #3 first, #2 second, and #3 third.

david.dgeorge07 05-20-2017 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cowlitzcoach (Post 204806)
Option #2 appears to be a pretty nice looking bus as well and the price doesn't look out of line.

I would want to know exactly which engine and transmission it has.

Of all of the options I would go with #3 first, #2 second, and #3 third.

Both #2 and #3 are not yellow, which I agree is nice. The air ride has me leaning toward #2. Is the mileage that has you leaning toward #3?

Do you feel like the 5.9 is a good powerplant in a fullsize bus?

david.dgeorge07 05-20-2017 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cowlitzcoach (Post 204805)
These look like pretty nice buses.

Welch Industries is best known as THE place to go for coach A/C parts, pieces, service, or upgrades. They have only recently gotten into used bus sales.

Oh, that's interesting to know. He told me the busses were for sale because the owner was trying to run a shuttle service in Atlanta without AC and that was a bust.

Versatile 05-20-2017 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by david.dgeorge07 (Post 204801)
Looks like you have a full size bus with the 5.9 that is the same year. Can you tell me what your experience has been? Turbo? Mechanical or electronic ignition? Powerful enough?

Thanks for sharing!

I love my 5.9 mechanical. Plenty of power for me. I can run 75 mph @2800 rpm IF i want. It is easy to go fast. Use mne has a Turbo. With a 12V Mechanical i don't need any electricity to run the Engine after start up.


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