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Defjr333 08-10-2017 03:08 PM

Defcomm
 
This is a thread for my upcoming build. Currently, I am heavily leaning toward a Shuttle Bus conversion. I originally was going to build an enclosed trailer like a camper. But after a year of research and collecting of parts, I have decided it does not BEST meet my needs and wants. The following are what have guided me to the Shuttle Bus choice:

1) Large windows
2) Easier to drive and park
3) No worry of being stolen (where I go it goes)
4) Walk thru (enables stealth camping and no egress if bad weather)
5) Want to use the wheelchair lift as "garage" for gas scooter or bike
6) Higher clearance for tanks etc under
7) Aesthetics

Now for preferences to look for in vehicle:

1) Fairly low mileage
2) Prefer Diesel Powerplant
3) NO/ little rust
4) Handicap lift at rear (sides but as far back as possible)
5) High Current Alternator (or able to add)

PLEASE: Feel free to let me know what I may be overlooking in reference to my vehicle search. I am pretty thick skinned, so fire away

Defjr333 08-10-2017 03:39 PM

Now the fun stuff. The parts and components already purchased and awaiting a vehicle:

Electrical:

30Amp Marine Grade Shore Plug
30Amp AC/ DC circuit breaker/ fuse panel (not converter)
3000W/6000W Pure Sinewave Inverter/ Charger (built in transfer switch)
All wiring
LED recessed lighting
LED strip lighting
All Fuses and Holders
260W solar panels (4)
Charge Controller (MPPT)
3000W Champion Inverter Generator
40" HD TV
WiFi extender and antenna
TV antenna (RV type)
Wall switches
Batteries (Duracell GC2 x8)
Battery isolator (160Amp)
MiniFridge (120 and 12v)
AC unit (5500btu)
Microwave (800W)

Plumbing:
Red/ Blue Pex tubing (25' each)
City/ Gravity input
Fresh Water Tanks (2x40 gal)
Toilet (Thetford cassette)
Hot water heater (10 gal suburban Elect and LP)
Water Pump (Sureflow 12v)
Kitchen Sink/ Faucet
Shower Faucet and head
Outdoor shower box (faucet and head)

LP:
Furnace (19kbtu Suburban)
RVQ grill
20lb LP tanks (2)
Regulator (dual tank)
Stove (3 burner Suburban)

Im sure I am forgetting some as I have been collecting for a while. But it gives you all an idea of what is going into the build. There are some things still needed, but I think I have the bulk of the big ticket items. Still need:

Shower surround and Base
Insulation (panels or spray on)
FRP for walls
Plumbing vent
Outlets (ac and dc)
prob few other odds and ends

AGAIN, feel free to inquire or inform if you believe there are better options.
:Thanx:

Defjr333 08-10-2017 05:06 PM

Those who know more about the drivetrain good and bad......6.8L V10?

1999 Ford E-450 Super Duty 15 Pass. W/Handicap Lift Bus In MANASSAS VA - MANASSAS AUTO TRUCK

Super low miles, great shape. Found zero rust. Only downside I could find was not diesel. Any reason to stay away?

roach711 08-10-2017 06:02 PM

That year V10 had a problem spitting spark plugs and rotting manifold bolts but is generally considered a good engine.

Rusty 08-10-2017 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Defjr333 (Post 218712)
Those who know more about the drivetrain good and bad......6.8L V10?

1999 Ford E-450 Super Duty 15 Pass. W/Handicap Lift Bus In MANASSAS VA - MANASSAS AUTO TRUCK

Super low miles, great shape. Found zero rust. Only downside I could find was not diesel. Any reason to stay away?

I had a Champion e450 w/ the V-10, was a nice unit. I prefer a diesel, but stay away from the 6.0L Ford as they have been costly to own. Vans can be a pita to work on sometimes- tight fit.

There are different shuttle body manufacturers, so read-up on who makes the best body. Check the interior height on that one you posted as it would be tough to raise.

Yours has uber low miles, which is good if it has been driven regularly. 18 years and 30K mi means 134 miles/month?

Shuttle does not have the heavy truck frame of a school bus and lower GVWR to consider. Water, generators, batteries, waste tanks get heavy fast, so do some math based on your wish list weights.

Defjr333 08-10-2017 09:44 PM

Greatly appreciate the info about engine, frame, interior height. Those are the items I am not knowledgeable on. Will have to check gvrw and such. thnx

roach711 08-10-2017 10:30 PM

That looks like a 21' Eldorado Aerolite body. Ours is a 24' Aerotech. Body construction is the same for both (well made). Head room will be 6'7" at the center aisle. floor space behind the driver's seat should be about 13' and inside width will be 7'8".

Ours has an aluminum stairwell and a stainless steel battery box. The floor is 3/4" plywood. The white fiberglass body does a good job of keeping interior temps down on a sunny day. Much better than a steel body. If you want to insulate there's no problem with thermal bridging. The inner fiberglass skin holds a screw real well. Rear gear will likely be 4.10 so it will do 70mph no problem.

GVWR on ours is 14000 lbs and as converted we're 2000 lbs under that. Space under the bus is fairly tight. We have a 15 gal grey tank hung behind the gas tank and our 35 gal. water tank is under the bed inside.

Defjr333 08-11-2017 01:16 PM

AWESOME INFO......appreciate it all. Going to go look at it tomorrow. Really wanted diesel, but with that low mileage........who knows

Thomas1985 08-11-2017 06:17 PM

My 1999 V10 E450 shuttle bus gets 6 MPG highway. Fair warning

EastCoastCB 08-11-2017 06:27 PM

My folks RV with 6.8 Ford gets 5mpg on a good day on the highway.

Defjr333 08-12-2017 03:42 PM

Think im gonna hold off to find a diesel version. While this one was super clean and low miles, it just did not feel right on test drive. Seemed to no have the power on start/ stops on hills. Made me worry as to how it would perform after adding 1500lbs to it! I also happen to live 15 miles from the base of Skyline Drive in VA.........so the search goes on. I dont mind paying a little premium for a nice unit, but this one just didnt cut it. After returning from dealer I saw two posts reflecting 5-6 mpg!!!! SOoooo glad I decided to wait for a diesel now:Thanx:

Defjr333 12-20-2017 07:26 PM

Revival of my Build Thread. Would not have thought im still searching all this time later. Should I settle for less than what I want? Who knows, my wants seem to change a lot.:rofl:

The reason for the revival of the thread is that I have FINALLY added some pics of components atleast. Seems I have nearly everything but the vehicle:facepalm:
**Note: For those that choose to check out my album with pics,
1 Any questions on components just ask and I can add websites and pricing. Just too lazy atm
2 I did not include "smalls" like wires, fuses, breakers, connectors etc. If you have questions on what I am going to use for a certain installation just ask, I can add and do descriptions. Again too lazy atm
3 As I am still hunting for the vehicle, if you have ideas for a better choice in a certain component by all means feel free to discuss.

:Thanx:

Doug

Rusty 12-20-2017 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Defjr333 (Post 240340)
3 As I am still hunting for the vehicle, if you have ideas for a better choice in a certain component by all means feel free to discuss.

:Thanx:

Doug

You mentioned shuttle earlier- I had one and they are very easy to drive, but they are built to a different Standard. The fiberglass tends to leak and create building challenges.

Get a real-deal steel-short bus with a diesel on a 3800 chassis. What is your bus budget and do you have parking?

Defjr333 12-20-2017 08:27 PM

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Being a single guy, (divorced 44yo) with no kids or attatchments, I am pretty open to budget. While I dont have a Prevost wallet, Im certainly not looking for Woodstock look either. That is my personal issue i guess. I just like some Shuttles FAR more than a schoolie. This is my unicorn:

Defjr333 12-20-2017 08:35 PM

Something similar but 1 row of seats longer (thats a 10 pass). AND with a diesel engine. I just like the look and roofline. It is made by Turtle Top, which from what I have dug up is even superior to ElDorado body in respect to scoring for federal rollover and crush standards.
That one is still for sale for $6900. But gas and too short. If i have not found something similar by spring, I will be forced to compromise. Therefore I have started to dip my toe into the "Shoolie Shorty" community. So By all means feel free to give pros/ cons on anything in this thread.
As far as budget......I have already purchased nearly EVERYTHING for the build.....I know, kinda backwards buying parts before the vehicle, but this road has had a few turns, u turns, pit stops, and layovers:whistling:
My lease is up 10/30/18. I originally wanted to give myself a full year for build out and buying parts. But since finding the "right" vehicle has taken so long I seemed to have finished buying. At least the big stuff. So now spring is it. I gotta start the build by april max.
But...I think 12k will be my max for vehicle.....INCLUDING any immediate repairs needed when purchased.
And parking no issue. Church behind house im renting. When complete it will be moved to a "Private Campground" (gated w/ security)
Doug

Robin97396 12-20-2017 11:02 PM

A gated campground? How about a natural gas campfire too?

Defjr333 12-21-2017 12:09 AM

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Its a place in Va where you own your land. Some lots very cheap. The deal is you can only stay there like 200 days of the year. They are open year round so u can go whenever.....its to prevent people from moving in trailers and such living year round on a campsite pedestal. They had probs in past and are very up front about it. Lots of the type you wouldnt sleep too soundly around. But new owners group took it on and evicted/ forced sale/ and cleared it out.

- Home

Figure i prob use it 100 times year. But I couldnt pass up 2 adjacent lots central to a new shower house(even tho i plan to have one on board), Lake, and Community center/ arcade/ mini store/and a dump site. Both lots have 60Amp service, and cable tv hookup. Got the 2 lots for 1500 for both. $1500 year member dues includes everything....incl elect. Water hookups there also, billed seperatly

Doug

Robin97396 12-21-2017 01:26 AM

I can understand the appeal of a safe place to camp. That's an issue everywhere.

We've also had folks living in tiny camp trailers and even cars over monopolizing the campgrounds even during the winter. The campgrounds have been free to use for years, but not anymore. There are always going to be some people that take advantage.

I like to park this bus on mountain tops on logging roads. I'm seldom in the same place twice. There are no hookups of any kind. There is cell service and an incredible view when at the top of a ridge. I'm not quite set up to be comfortable off the grid yet, but I'm getting there.

brokedown 12-21-2017 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Defjr333 (Post 240350)
Being a single guy, (divorced 44yo) with no kids or attatchments, I am pretty open to budget. While I dont have a Prevost wallet, Im certainly not looking for Woodstock look either. That is my personal issue i guess. I just like some Shuttles FAR more than a schoolie. This is my unicorn:

That is a sexy looking shuttle. I hope you find one! -Hillary

cadillackid 12-21-2017 08:59 PM

shuttles definitely have the advantages of usually having dashboard A/C for driving, nicer windows, being van based parts are easy to get.. some shuttles ive been in seem to be fairly wide too... they definitely come in varying lengths.. a dealer in new york, don brown bus sales seems to have quite a few at any given time.. midwest transit as well.. I dont know if they end up on the auxction sites at all or not.. youll have to shop around for a good deal.. an d remember you can talk a dealer down just like you do with a car..
-Christopher

Defjr333 01-04-2018 09:26 PM

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Update:
Ordered cabinets($1943) and sofa/ bed($1050) from Ikea. I am seriously in need of THE BUS SOON!!!:rofl:
Running out of stuff to buy, except the one item to put it all in.:facepalm:
The layout of that pic of cabinets is front of bus to right, and bath to left(neither shown)

Doug

Defjr333 01-07-2018 11:57 AM

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Rough trace of floor plan to compare with cabinet pic. Gonna be tight fitting all the guts in the available areas left over, but it looks do-able.
Doug

Tango 01-07-2018 03:20 PM

If it "looks doable on paper"...it probably isn't in the bus. Just a personal observation.:banghead:

Defjr333 01-07-2018 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tango (Post 243742)
If it "looks doable on paper"...it probably isn't in the bus. Just a personal observation.:banghead:

LOL. The only part I am questioning is the small 2'x4' area behind the kitchen wall to the side of the shower. That area needs to house batteries, generator, and LP system(separated sections vented outside). May need to look at the next size up Shuttle, or (gasp) a real shorty.:hide: I am slowly starting to edge closer to a real shorty..Would like an actual "garage" in the rear anyways..Will see!:rofl:
Doug

Defjr333 01-07-2018 04:34 PM

Anyone out there with access to a couple "shorties" can send me some interior dimensions to get me thinking on? IE: how many windows and its xx by xx inside(from back of driver seat to rear wall, and side to side.)
:Thanx:
Doug

Jolly Roger bus 223 01-07-2018 04:57 PM

As much as you are starting to pile in a build without something to build it into I am starting to think you are an architect student and are concerned with making a space look good but don't actually know how much room an electrical panel box and wiring drain line or insulated water line actually needs.
If I am wrong please call me on it.
But you are starting to sound like my wife when she was a residential architect and she would ask me what I thought about this design.
I would say the electrician needs more room here and you just screwed the plumber there.
You have to think about the actual workings? Electrical,water in,drain out. All is different depending on your specific bus/house.
Even with all the knowledge and opinions here and can guarantee that there is NO cookie cutter builds.
I think you need a mid size bus/shuttle instead of a shorty to fit all of that into comfortably.?
That's just an opinion.

joeblack5 01-07-2018 05:06 PM

That is cute set-up. Do you plan on a composting toilet? If so the I would make a slide out in that 2x4 area and make the shower smaller. The 2x4 would get smaller to 2 x2-1/2 but since it is about 3 ft high you still could get 3 batteries in the bottom and a propane tank on top.


Later j

Twigg 01-07-2018 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223 (Post 243763)
As much as you are starting to pile in a build without something to build it into I am starting to think you are an architect student and are concerned with making a space look good but don't actually know how much room an electrical panel box and wiring drain line or insulated water line actually needs.
If I am wrong please call me on it.
But you are starting to sound like my wife when she was a residential architect and she would ask me what I thought about this design.
I would say the electrician needs more room here and you just screwed the plumber there.
You have to think about the actual workings? Electrical,water in,drain out. All is different depending on your specific bus/house.
Even with all the knowledge and opinions here and can guarantee that there is NO cookie cutter builds.
I think you need a mid size bus/shuttle instead of a shorty to fit all of that into comfortably.?
That's just an opinion.

Nah ... he's just a guy anticipating his first bus and getting excited about it :)

Defjr333 01-07-2018 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223 (Post 243763)
As much as you are starting to pile in a build without something to build it into I am starting to think you are an architect student and are concerned with making a space look good but don't actually know how much room an electrical panel box and wiring drain line or insulated water line actually needs.
If I am wrong please call me on it.
But you are starting to sound like my wife when she was a residential architect and she would ask me what I thought about this design.
I would say the electrician needs more room here and you just screwed the plumber there.
You have to think about the actual workings? Electrical,water in,drain out. All is different depending on your specific bus/house.
Even with all the knowledge and opinions here and can guarantee that there is NO cookie cutter builds.
I think you need a mid size bus/shuttle instead of a shorty to fit all of that into comfortably.?
That's just an opinion.

WELL THEN.....I have deleted 3 different replies before posting this one as to keep things PG. So I will leave it at that. Its the safest thing for sure.

NOW back to the QUESTION......anybody with shorty interior dimensions?
Doug

Defjr333 01-07-2018 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by joeblack5 (Post 243766)
That is cute set-up. Do you plan on a composting toilet? If so the I would make a slide out in that 2x4 area and make the shower smaller. The 2x4 would get smaller to 2 x2-1/2 but since it is about 3 ft high you still could get 3 batteries in the bottom and a propane tank on top.


Later j

No on the composting toilet. I went with a Thetford cassette style. Got a deal on the toilet, shower base, and tilt away sink.
Doug

Defjr333 01-07-2018 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Twigg (Post 243769)
Nah ... he's just a guy anticipating his first bus and getting excited about it :)

Not about excitement, its called PREPERATION. Want to be sure i can get what i want in it the WAY i want it. I want 99% of the questions to have been dealt with before I even get started with a tool(military taught me that). I am sure there will be minor modifications along the way, like movement of an item a few inches or trimming. But I dont want to get to buiding and realize NOTHING is gonna work where I want it.
I did see what u did tho Steve.....and its appreciated. Maybe I read that post wrong, but seemed to prejudge somebody he doesnt know based on something with his wife? Maybe I should start posting pictures and video of EVERYTHING i do related to my build. Like the entire mock up in my garage with the tape/boxes to mimic the cabinets and walls. And the actual furnace, water heater, etc IN PLACE. Dunno. Im not one to hold grudges or prolong an argument so:flowers:
Doug

Twigg 01-07-2018 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Defjr333 (Post 243792)
Not about excitement, its called PREPERATION. Want to be sure i can get what i want in it the WAY i want it. I want 99% of the questions to have been dealt with before I even get started with a tool(military taught me that). I am sure there will be minor modifications along the way, like movement of an item a few inches or trimming. But I dont want to get to buiding and realize NOTHING is gonna work where I want it.
I did see what u did tho Steve.....and its appreciated. Maybe I read that post wrong, but seemed to prejudge somebody he doesnt know based on something with his wife? Maybe I should start posting pictures and video of EVERYTHING i do related to my build. Like the entire mock up in my garage with the tape/boxes to mimic the cabinets and walls. And the actual furnace, water heater, etc IN PLACE. Dunno. Im not one to hold grudges or prolong an argument so:flowers:
Doug

I get it.

However there does come a point where you are simply chasing your tail. All of the buses are different. None of them are square. Everything will have to be "fitted into a space", and the spaces aren't even, and designs change all the time.

I've been around camping and RV's all my life, and buses for a few months.

So I took a more general approach. I thought long and hard about what I wanted a bus for, which led me down the path to the right bus for us. There were compromises. I wanted a rear door, but I wanted the benefits of a pusher more than that. I wanted to be able to stand upright, but I didn't want the extra work and expense of a roof-raise ... and so it went on.

What I ended up with was a Thomas Saf-T-Liner MVP ER. I had no idea where the side door would be in relation to everything else, nor many of the other features.

So now I am stripping it out. I have got no further with the design than working out if the rear bedroom, storage and bathroom will fit behind the side-door. It will but I'll have to have the shower on the passenger side and that means running pex across the floor before the plywood goes down.

I can do that, so all is well. Once I have that in place I can figure out how to use the rest of the space. I kept the threshold strip so I can run pipes and wires from back to front past the side door on the driver side.

That's the thinking process I am using. Had I drawn elaborate plans beforehand, everything would have changed and some of it quite radically by the time the bus was in my yard.

Defjr333 01-07-2018 07:39 PM

I have gone from a converted ambulance (had for 6 years), to building an enclosed trailer(decided against for various reasons) to a Shuttle Bus, and now contemplating Shorty Skoolies. Its always a compromise any way you go.
The thing about my floorplan I like the most and am trying to maintain the most is all plumbing and 95% of electronics are all within 3-5 ft of each other. That is why the kitchen and bathroom BOTH back up to the "Utility" closet area. I just plan ahead so I was inquiring dimensions on shorties to compare. I know what I want, and how I want it to function. But since I have yet to buy the bus, I am FREE to look, research, decide, change mind, and get it 100% before I drive one home. Amazing how me contemplating a way to get a bit more area behind the kitchen(by way of a larger vehicle) would go so wrong.
Think I may just make a new thread:

"Can I see Your Shorty"

I think mine may be too small. So, how big is yours? Pics appreciated.
Rules:
No putting others down because you think theirs is too big or small. No questioning how others "work" theirs unless specifically asked. No asking/ comparing to ones spouse.:rofl:
Doug

plfking 01-07-2018 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Defjr333 (Post 243786)
WELL THEN.....I have deleted 3 different replies before posting this one as to keep things PG. So I will leave it at that. Its the safest thing for sure.

NOW back to the QUESTION......anybody with shorty interior dimensions?
Doug

I applaud your constraint.

15 ft from back of driver seat to back door. 7.5 ft interior width.


Don

Defjr333 01-07-2018 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by plfking (Post 243836)
15 ft from back of driver seat to back door. 7.5 ft interior width.


Don

Thanks Don. Thats the same dimensions Im working with for a shuttle layout...do u know if thats common for 6 window units? Maybe 7-9 window would work....Hmmm

As far as restraining myself on replies to that post, once I read it like it was directed at somebody else, I realized sometimes we ALL post things that sound fine in OUR OWN heads, but read by another can be taken poorly. I am giving the benefit of the doubt in this case. I have not seen that poster deliberately be rude in the past, so thats how im reading it for now. I did send him a funny PM tho:rofl:
Doug

Jolly Roger bus 223 01-07-2018 08:44 PM

No disrespect or rudeness intended.
I played MARINE which might explain some of my straight forward replies.
You also mentioned you were in the military. Can I assume that with your location that you are/were NAVY?

plfking 01-07-2018 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Defjr333 (Post 243838)
Thanks Don. Thats the same dimensions Im working with for a shuttle layout...do u know if thats common for 6 window units? Maybe 7-9 window would work....Hmmm

When I started my search 2 years ago, the 'rule of thumb' was approx. 2.5 ft per window (my particular windows range from 28" to 33"). But take it with a grain of salt -- I've measured several 5-window buses that had the same interior length as 6-windows.


Don

Defjr333 01-08-2018 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223 (Post 243840)
No disrespect or rudeness intended.
I played MARINE which might explain some of my straight forward replies.
You also mentioned you were in the military. Can I assume that with your location that you are/were NAVY?

Yes, ex Navy AT2. Took many Marines from NAS Millington TN to Memphis on weekends. I appreciate the clarification on the posts. There really is a big difference in the 2 branches mentality of getting things done. My only issue was it was assumed I "knew nothing" about building ie how big certain items are......BUT that is NOT your fault. When we post things we dont always include every bit of info. For example: had I said the floorplan was 7' wide and the 6" difference was for studding out and insulation depth, that would have given you info that yes, i do have a place to run wires, pex, etc. I do not give exact assembly instructions. I tend to roll along until i have a question. But how is somebody else suppossed to know that?
Im just glad everyone is on the same page and no hard feelings.
Doug

Defjr333 01-08-2018 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by plfking (Post 243845)
When I started my search 2 years ago, the 'rule of thumb' was approx. 2.5 ft per window (my particular windows range from 28" to 33"). But take it with a grain of salt -- I've measured several 5-window buses that had the same interior length as 6-windows.


Don

Thanks Don. That helps. I want to see if there is anything out there available in the 18'ish range(im talking from back of driver seat to rear wall). I dont seem to find many shorties other than the van based....If its going to be a van based bus, I would just stick with a Shuttle.
Doug

Jdawgsfanasty 01-08-2018 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Defjr333 (Post 243090)
Update:
Ordered cabinets($1943) and sofa/ bed($1050) from Ikea. I am seriously in need of THE BUS SOON!!!:rofl:
Running out of stuff to buy, except the one item to put it all in.:facepalm:
The layout of that pic of cabinets is front of bus to right, and bath to left(neither shown)

Doug

Seems that the bus should be bought 1st...idk...

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pdidomenico 03-05-2018 09:50 PM

Solar help
 
Hey Doug - I was reading through one of your posts about solar/generator combo and am interested in a similar setup. I've got a good handle on the interior build out of my bus, but not so much on electrical/solar (had 30amp shore power already when I bought it). I've done consumption measurements, daily use estimations, etc for the things I need to power and had also started talking to Renogy about a kit, but your setup looks like a more practical and cost-effective approach. I had also started looking into someone I could potentially hire to help with this and then saw you're in culpeper, which is right next door to me (Warrenton/Amissville area). I'd be interested in talking offline if you're interested in some side work planning/implementing solar for my skoolie. I sent you a private message, but wanted to post here on your build thread in case you didn't receive it. If you have any interest, my email is reachpeted @ gmail . com

gastone 03-06-2018 01:52 PM

I'm in Fredericksburg and also thinking about doing a Skookie conversion. How is it progressing for you?

Defjr333 09-27-2019 01:51 PM

After much time, my project has been changed to a step van, and a new thread will be created. Thank You

Ronnie 09-27-2019 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gastone (Post 257607)
I'm in Fredericksburg and also thinking about doing a Skookie conversion. How is it progressing for you?

We are just west/north of Fredericksburg.

Defjr333 09-27-2019 07:37 PM

I just came back to this forum today. I have yet to start my conversion other than gathering parts and deciding on vehicle. I hope to get started by New Years.


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