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Rovobay 04-15-2019 02:52 PM

BLUEFIRE question.
 
On there site the sell several versions of the bluefire. there are a few differences but I don't know which one is right for me. I intend to buy a dedicated cheap 7 or 8inch tablet (android).

https://bluefire-llc.com/store/9-pin...j1708-adapters

The differences are "bus speed" 250k or 250k,500k and bluetooth 2.1 classic or low energy.

advise guidance appreciated.

have the day off but too tired to work on the bus so I might remove the instrument cluster and work on soldering the old connections.

Thanks

Rovobay 04-15-2019 02:53 PM

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Mgulley82 04-17-2019 09:49 AM

The engine runs on what is called a “can bus” communication network.

A can bus runs on different baud rates and this connector is just letting you know it can run on multiple communication baud rates

cadillackid 04-17-2019 10:01 AM

that connector on navistar was often put in as a way for shops to program both the trans and engine..



navistar didnt start using J1939 for the main engine interface until the MaxxForce stuff in 07/08, however the 9 pin standard allows for the pins for both 1708 and 1939 to be populated.. the J1939 pins are wired to the ECM and if an electronc trans is present, the CAN 1 on it's TCM.. and the shift panel (on a 3060).. ive not tried a bluefire on the 1939 wires.. or if the bluefire 9 pin will read the J1708 wires or not..



when I plug a Nexiq into the 9 pin on a navistar, I have to select J1708 to program the engine... if I use my allison software I select the 1939.. only thing I know is to try it with the J1939 version of the bluefire..

-Christopher

Rovobay 04-17-2019 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mgulley82 (Post 320340)
The engine runs on what is called a “can bus” communication network.

A can bus runs on different baud rates and this connector is just letting you know it can run on multiple communication baud rates


Thank you.

So it does not matter if I get the 250K or the 250K/500K.... either will work correct?

I am not an apple IOS guy so I just need to figure out which of the 2 I need to buy. OR...... the IOS one has "low energy" Bluetooth vs. 2.1 classic. is that a big difference? just a few more dollars.

Rovobay 04-17-2019 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by cadillackid (Post 320342)
that connector on navistar was often put in as a way for shops to program both the trans and engine..



navistar didnt start using J1939 for the main engine interface until the MaxxForce stuff in 07/08, however the 9 pin standard allows for the pins for both 1708 and 1939 to be populated.. the J1939 pins are wired to the ECM and if an electronc trans is present, the CAN 1 on it's TCM.. and the shift panel (on a 3060).. ive not tried a bluefire on the 1939 wires.. or if the bluefire 9 pin will read the J1708 wires or not..



when I plug a Nexiq into the 9 pin on a navistar, I have to select J1708 to program the engine... if I use my allison software I select the 1939.. only thing I know is to try it with the J1939 version of the bluefire..

-Christopher


Thanks Christopher. Just need to figure out which one to buy now.

PNW_Steve 04-17-2019 12:17 PM

I had the same question. Which one?

Rovobay 04-17-2019 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PNW_Steve (Post 320363)
I had the same question. Which one?

Yeah Steve..... which one?

Yukon Cornelius 06-12-2019 08:24 AM

Tracking :whistling:

PNW_Steve 06-12-2019 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rovobay (Post 320359)
Thanks Christopher. Just need to figure out which one to buy now.

Did you ever figure out which one to buy?

MarkyDee 06-12-2019 12:30 PM

I had the same questions when I bought mine last year (or was it the year before? ouch, I'm getting old...). I went ahead and bought the one that works with iOS and Android even though it was $10 more than the Android-only version.


Then, when I was discussing various other things with the proprietor of BlueFire, he asked me why I bought the iOS/Android version and not the Android-only version. I told him I wanted maximum flexibility in the future because I don't know what the future holds. He seemed satisfied with that.


I relate this experience to you as I don't think it really matters which version you buy, as long as it has the connectivity you need. Since you need the 9-pin, and since the difference between the 250k and 250k/500k is only $10, I'd buy this one:


https://bluefire-llc.com/store/9-pin...ndroid-adapter


However, if you ever think you'll want iOS connectivity, then I'd buy the most expensive one:



https://bluefire-llc.com/store/500k-...08-ios-adapter


Please note that I am not affiliated with BlueFire, LLC in any way except that I bought a 6-pin j1708 adapter from them awhile back. My experience with them has been very good - I wouldn't hesitate to buy another from them.

PNW_Steve 06-12-2019 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkyDee (Post 331627)
I had the same questions when I bought mine last year (or was it the year before? ouch, I'm getting old...). I went ahead and bought the one that works with iOS and Android even though it was $10 more than the Android-only version.


Then, when I was discussing various other things with the proprietor of BlueFire, he asked me why I bought the iOS/Android version and not the Android-only version. I told him I wanted maximum flexibility in the future because I don't know what the future holds. He seemed satisfied with that.


I relate this experience to you as I don't think it really matters which version you buy, as long as it has the connectivity you need. Since you need the 9-pin, and since the difference between the 250k and 250k/500k is only $10, I'd buy this one:


https://bluefire-llc.com/store/9-pin...ndroid-adapter


However, if you ever think you'll want iOS connectivity, then I'd buy the most expensive one:



https://bluefire-llc.com/store/500k-...08-ios-adapter


Please note that I am not affiliated with BlueFire, LLC in any way except that I bought a 6-pin j1708 adapter from them awhile back. My experience with them has been very good - I wouldn't hesitate to buy another from them.


Thank you!!

Native 06-13-2019 01:58 AM

I bought mine a few weeks ago. Once I learned that I needed to turn on the J1708 protocol, it was great. The older J1708 protocol is much slower. However, many of the data points are still only accessable via J1708, such as odometer, several temperature readings, etc. When you get the unit and first start to use it, go into the "repair" screen and see what is reported. You and also get a list in the "engine status" screen. If it shows "NA" instead of a number, that data point is not provided by your bus computer.


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