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SeanF 03-19-2013 11:38 AM

Spam, spam, spam...
 
270 new spammer accounts created on Monday 3/18. What is going on?

somewhereinusa 03-19-2013 12:12 PM

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Evidently they must have had a good weekend. I would say the weather must have been bad, but I doubt that they venture outside much anyway. :lol:
Keep up the good work. Glad they don't get far enough for us to see. :D

91 Bus Guy 03-19-2013 03:36 PM

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With that many spammers,it must be a difficult job to find the legit applicants and allow them through. I now understand why some email accounts are not allowed.

Thank you, to the Mods that keep us insulated from all the spam.

Keith

Diesel Dan 03-19-2013 10:28 PM

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Yeah, thanks guys for the work you do to keep this forum clean!

freakn 03-20-2013 12:01 AM

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1285 spam so far today, thanks to the other mods for doing a great job. :)

freakn 03-20-2013 12:07 AM

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Make that 1312 so far. argh

SeanF 03-20-2013 12:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by richlindquist
All of those spammers wanting to be here must mean that Skoolie.net is getting more and more popular! I wonder if they would go away if they knew just how broke most of us are? :lol:

Rich


Haha, true! But seriously, all of the spam activity, from account creation to the (attempted) creation of new topics and posts, is 100% automated. And most of it originates from IP addresses in China.

freakn 03-21-2013 12:12 PM

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903 already...going be a long day :)

GreyEagle 03-24-2013 07:06 PM

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members 9093 and growing daily

GreyEagle 03-25-2013 06:51 PM

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Maybe......... But approval of membership before post would be even better.........
just my 2 cents.......

lornaschinske 03-25-2013 07:54 PM

Re: Spam, spam, spam...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by richlindquist
Just curious, but would charging a $1 fee to become a member cut down on the spammers? It would also help to confirm identity.

Rich

I'm too cheap... FRUGAL... to pay a Dollar! :(

And I hate the "capcha" thingys. I keep getting the ones that I can't read. The "letters" are bad enough but the pictures are always so fuzzy that I have to guess at what they say. I have to make several guesses.

There has to be a better (and simple) way to determine a human as opposed to a bot.

SeanF 03-25-2013 08:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lornaschinske

And I hate the "capcha" thingys. I keep getting the ones that I can't read. The "letters" are bad enough but the pictures are always so fuzzy that I have to guess at what they say. I have to make several guesses.

There has to be a better (and simple) way to determine a human as opposed to a bot.

Agree, the captcha security stuff is super annoying.

A fairly simple way (I think) would be to construct a challenge/response question that is not easy for a non-human/script/bot to answer, i.e. "Enter the non-lower case letters from 'd6Tyr#Km9@bP' "

lornaschinske 03-25-2013 09:42 PM

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That sounds pretty simple. I hate jumping thru hoops simply to post a comment on something. I have discovered that I'm not as patient as I used to be. Old age? :lol:

the_experience03 03-26-2013 12:21 AM

Re: Spam, spam, spam...
 
Approval of membership before posting might be worthwhile. After all, the spammers are only posting once under each name and we deny those anyway so it's not like it would be more work on the moderation end. My only fear is that we could possibly discourage someone from posting or joining. Nevertheless, www.tnttt.com is very actve and has a set up that requires individual membership approval. Maybe that's a way to go?

SeanF 03-26-2013 12:50 AM

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Hmm...I just looked at the registration screen and there is a challenge question similar to 'Enter the first four and last three chars of '3ryo2uhdfjh38jb' :?

I wouldn't be surprised if they'd come up with a program to figure it out.

Maybe something more challenging...like
'What color is the middle item: AppleWrenchSchoolbusPolarbearSky"

SeanF 03-26-2013 12:59 AM

Re: Spam, spam, spam...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the_experience03
Approval of membership before posting might be worthwhile. After all, the spammers are only posting once under each name and we deny those anyway so it's not like it would be more work on the moderation end. My only fear is that we could possibly discourage someone from posting or joining. Nevertheless, https://www.tnttt.com is very actve and has a set up that requires individual membership approval. Maybe that's a way to go?

Slight correction...our spammers post (or attempt to post) multiple times. I just checked a random one and the account was created last month. And 'he' had several posts in the moderation queue. :?

Agree that individual account approval may be the way forward.

100MPG 03-26-2013 07:13 PM

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I hate to say it but it is the software that allows them to get through. I had so many spammers on my site with the free PHPBB software I had to take it down! :( I could not afford Vbulletin
I could not stop them.

SeanF 03-27-2013 12:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 100MPG
I hate to say it but it is the software that allows them to get through. I had so many spammers on my site with the free PHPBB software I had to take it down! :( I could not afford Vbulletin
I could not stop them.

Damn. Maybe Steve could get donations to offset the cost of vBulletin. I would hate to lose this place to spambot zombies.

91 Bus Guy 03-27-2013 08:04 PM

Re: Spam, spam, spam...
 
I had an idea that this site was popular, but, never figured it was that good! :lol: If only there was a better way to weed out all of the spammers.

Thanks goes out to all the mods that take care of us and keep the spam off.

Keith

lornaschinske 03-27-2013 09:39 PM

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Maybe a "rule" that the user name has to include an actual word? Seems the spammers use gibberish names. Of course I have no clue as to what I am talking about either. :D

SeanF 04-02-2013 04:56 PM

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It's just ridiculous.

lornaschinske 04-02-2013 05:06 PM

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I'm...... depressed! Just think, with all the potentially wonderful things you can learn, do and explore with a computer and the internet, it is used to generate....trash.

SeanF 04-03-2013 07:11 PM

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It can't be good for health of the backend database. Hopefully there are backups for when (not if) the thousands of bogus accounts crash everything.

SeanF 04-05-2013 10:08 PM

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Steve could ban new registrations from Chinese IP addresses. I just took a sample of today's new spammer accounts, and they are 100% from China.

How about it Steve?

GreyEagle 04-06-2013 09:30 AM

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com on Steve!........ This is getting out of hand.......


Registered users: a11jlx9v0z4, Aviva174, Bing [Bot], brooklynbreadgypsy, cc9xxss86, dasd6zsl9aj, dasd7hbd2nf, dasnyl67g2w, Google [Bot], GreyEagle, Hoit8291, kk5wass86, kk8ddss86, kzhyvequ44, lailshjdg86, marcoline50b, mary7c6m, niegunbhj, pp8jmss86, qgsxjktvl, snonbos, wia29qhj64
Legend: Administrators, How-to Crew, Moderators

Statistics

Total posts 93282 Total topics 8827 Total members 12180 Our newest member 11jordansair

GreyEagle 04-06-2013 03:48 PM

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over 200 new spam members today

Registered users:a07kyb2l4k1, amquvud46, apiqrzl08, apmkhct65, atgqnro98, auelhja33, bbv286hs08, lecki1865, bziw38ah34, fgfg877ik, GreyEagle, hhngleay, hyvlrdvalq, inkblots84, iwbzjw3478, jtldzrvg, ketkasccf, kew6b1gss86, m6i9ds0y3f, mceiss88, mi8sv4h7u, milsv595d, miysv239y, miysv328z, mvv6u3pss86, njnsyztes, ogagyztk, oot6b5vss86, pp8jmss86, qqrkss86, sikfg925c, snjyqsbps, snzxdiora, stcpwege, tuiahanac, tynei48341, tynei61698, ukwdzwto, upzvnvnua, vlrvrabm, zrdmvezsud

syke 04-06-2013 04:57 PM

Re: Spam, spam, spam...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SeanF
Steve could ban new registrations from Chinese IP addresses. I just took a sample of today's new spammer accounts, and they are 100% from China.

How about it Steve?

That is a good idea.

lornaschinske 04-06-2013 05:49 PM

Re: Spam, spam, spam...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyEagle
over 200 new spam members today

Registered users:a07kyb2l4k1, amquvud46, apiqrzl08, apmkhct65, atgqnro98, auelhja33, bbv286hs08, lecki1865, bziw38ah34, fgfg877ik, GreyEagle, hhngleay, hyvlrdvalq, inkblots84, iwbzjw3478, jtldzrvg, ketkasccf, kew6b1gss86, m6i9ds0y3f, mceiss88, mi8sv4h7u, milsv595d, miysv239y, miysv328z, mvv6u3pss86, njnsyztes, ogagyztk, oot6b5vss86, pp8jmss86, qqrkss86, sikfg925c, snjyqsbps, snzxdiora, stcpwege, tuiahanac, tynei48341, tynei61698, ukwdzwto, upzvnvnua, vlrvrabm, zrdmvezsud

I see two very suspicious looking user names in that group. Using my powerful deduction skills, I think those are the spam members... the rest are obviuosly legitimate members! 8)

lornaschinske 04-06-2013 06:19 PM

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Sorted member list by Number of posts, just for fun. Okay, I'm bored and lazy today.

Out of 245 pages....
page 1 - page 192 had users with 0 posts
page 192 - page 207 had users with 1 post

There are lots of old "members" that never posted or posted only once or twice. Granted some of the "0" and other low posts are legitimate but it does give a skewed idea as to how many members there are. Or rather how many active members. But I guess it really doesn't matter. Kinda interesting about the "real" people who join and never post or only post once or twice and never show up again. Do they join and read/post only to become intimidated by converting a bus or do other things (like a place to park it, funds to convert, time to invest, lack of skills, lack of support from friends & family) persuade them to abandon the idea.

I rarely look at he members list. Only looked once or twice while trying to locate another skoolie near our location. The lack of realistic location info is irritating. I'm guilty of that myself, but just added my current location.

inkblots84 04-06-2013 10:54 PM

Re: Spam, spam, spam...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lornaschinske
Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyEagle
over 200 new spam members today

Registered users:a07kyb2l4k1, amquvud46, apiqrzl08, apmkhct65, atgqnro98, auelhja33, bbv286hs08, lecki1865, bziw38ah34, fgfg877ik, GreyEagle, hhngleay, hyvlrdvalq, inkblots84, iwbzjw3478, jtldzrvg, ketkasccf, kew6b1gss86, m6i9ds0y3f, mceiss88, mi8sv4h7u, milsv595d, miysv239y, miysv328z, mvv6u3pss86, njnsyztes, ogagyztk, oot6b5vss86, pp8jmss86, qqrkss86, sikfg925c, snjyqsbps, snzxdiora, stcpwege, tuiahanac, tynei48341, tynei61698, ukwdzwto, upzvnvnua, vlrvrabm, zrdmvezsud

I see two very suspicious looking user names in that group. Using my powerful deduction skills, I think those are the spam members... the rest are obviuosly legitimate members! 8)


RAR! Hear my spam! :lol:

on to a more serious note, I looked at a forum today that made me fill out a captcha, then answer two questions: what is the first word: tree, shark, banana, formula
What is the last word: television, kitten, polar, candle.

This was only to use the forum search as a non member. Seems like a hassle, but really wasn't. Also to even sign up for freecycle Ihad to do something similar as well as include a short blurb (maybe max out at xxx characters?).

Would adding questions and a blurb about why one wants to be a member reduce some spam? Seems like folks who sign up here really do have a reason and shouldn't be bothered too much by a little extra security.

91 Bus Guy 04-07-2013 03:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Part-time
I think Inkblot has the idea.
I'm on a forum that is related to the shovelhead era harleys, and the question is simple but effective. "What is this forum about?"
I think maybe something like "what is the original color of a skoolie?"

This gets my vote as well. Same idea works well on another forum, where I am a member.

Keith

91 Bus Guy 04-07-2013 04:05 PM

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For sure it is different. When I signed up, and was asked "what color," I would have said Yellow. I didn't know that there was a special formula for a school bus. It may discourage potential members that didn't know, or didn't think to even search for "What color were School Buses painted?"
Just my .02,

Keith

SeanF 04-11-2013 12:16 PM

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I don't think it has to be this way. But the only person who can fix it doesn't seem to care, and doesn't reply to PMs. :?

SeanF 04-12-2013 12:22 PM

Re: Spam, spam, spam...
 
Something as easy as setting the max number of messages allowed in the moderation queue =1 for each user would be a help. That, and banning Chinese IP addresses, would take a few minutes to implement and save the mods considerable time each day.

Skunky Bus 04-14-2013 12:13 PM

Re: Spam, spam, spam...
 
Attack of the spambots!
I was just in the School Bus News forum and noticed that my name was the only one that even looked like that of a real member. (It was early Sunday morning.) One of the three others was:
Username:6bevn90x7c
Rank:Scared to Post
Groups:Newly registered usersRegistered users
My Bus:mno590
Year:1990
Coachwork:nop467
Chassis:tuv214
Engine:qrs448
Rated Cap.:0
Just registered April 5th.

I've seen plenty of IH3800 chassis and DT466 engines... Never heard of a nop467 body on a tuv214 chassis/qrs448 engine... new Chinese make, perhaps? Rated capacity zero because suspension isn't worth a crap? :lol:

SeanF 04-17-2013 02:50 PM

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Yep, we've been seeing about 2500-3000 spams per day, but just in the last day it's already up to 5000.

freakn 05-05-2013 11:30 PM

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68+ pages so far today = 3428 posts to be deleted....ARGH

syke 05-07-2013 11:01 AM

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Thanks for keeping this place tiddy guys!

To bad you cant get any help from the admin though.

SeanF 05-09-2013 02:02 PM

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Yes, this is by far the most spam we've seen. Nearly 8000 in the past 24 hours. :shock:

travelinwithus 05-09-2013 02:08 PM

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Hey GE,

Sorry I couldn't continue helping you delete those 5000 spam posts this morning. I had an appointment I had to get to so I deleted as many as I could. I did however attempt to email Steve at the email address he had on file for the domain name. I will let you all know if I here anything.

Skunky Bus 05-12-2013 01:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by travelinwithus
Hey GE,

Sorry I couldn't continue helping you delete those 5000 spam posts this morning. I had an appointment I had to get to so I deleted as many as I could. I did however attempt to email Steve at the email address he had on file for the domain name. I will let you all know if I here anything.

Saaay...how do I get one of those "states I've visited" maps?

travelinwithus 05-13-2013 01:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Skunky Bus
Quote:

Originally Posted by travelinwithus
Hey GE,

Sorry I couldn't continue helping you delete those 5000 spam posts this morning. I had an appointment I had to get to so I deleted as many as I could. I did however attempt to email Steve at the email address he had on file for the domain name. I will let you all know if I here anything.

Saaay...how do I get one of those "states I've visited" maps?


Here ya go: https://www.visitedstatesmap.com/

Skunky Bus 05-15-2013 12:57 PM

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Thanx for the map link.

As for spam, here's some comic relief. It's about Spam the meat, not spam the electronic junk, but it's fun to listen to anyway.
"Spam" by "Weird Al" Yankovic

GreyEagle 05-17-2013 06:21 PM

Re: Spam, spam, spam...
 
just six months (Dec 2012) ago we only had 4500 members........ and most of those where inactive........ as of today.... Total members 18648
Anyone know how to reach Steve, our administrator ?


Registered users: 9h91532ey, aadmm617, abbow234, ai0b4h8b, bbdum818, beckyrec72v, beijuamtmi, bieatbel5v, cw41hv6518, dasanhuanj9, derdirw03k, Eightgeten, gcbey847jl, gmllvrpaa, Google [Bot], GreyEagle, i8b1tch6f, ikmjvjbdt, jdfes6odf544, ksjsgdrv2, lacinacm79, Malkieri, mamakiizk, maridbksqu, mouukswhws, occas56sya, outlet5yn4, patgqgy9i8d, pjhi0521, Poqwjsmcrdz, Psulbnwtbto, qrsoo341, sevens45tz, slchyhfw6, tuwef142, Waaxdqcsko, Waiepgkmrq, weunty12uc, yhkzzymd65
Legend: Administrators, How-to Crew, Moderators

STATISTICS
Total posts 94903 Total topics 8911 Total members 18648 Our newest member jobey736ul

SeanF 05-17-2013 06:46 PM

Re: Spam, spam, spam...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyEagle
just six months (Dec 2012) ago we only had 4500 members........ and most of those where inactive........ as of today.... Total members 18648
Anyone know how to reach Steve, our administrator ?


Registered users: 9h91532ey, aadmm617, abbow234, ai0b4h8b, bbdum818, beckyrec72v, beijuamtmi, bieatbel5v, cw41hv6518, dasanhuanj9, derdirw03k, Eightgeten, gcbey847jl, gmllvrpaa, Google [Bot], GreyEagle, i8b1tch6f, ikmjvjbdt, jdfes6odf544, ksjsgdrv2, lacinacm79, Malkieri, mamakiizk, maridbksqu, mouukswhws, occas56sya, outlet5yn4, patgqgy9i8d, pjhi0521, Poqwjsmcrdz, Psulbnwtbto, qrsoo341, sevens45tz, slchyhfw6, tuwef142, Waaxdqcsko, Waiepgkmrq, weunty12uc, yhkzzymd65
Legend: Administrators, How-to Crew, Moderators

STATISTICS
Total posts 94903 Total topics 8911 Total members 18648 Our newest member jobey736ul


I've tried contacting him several times via PM here at skoolie.net, and also via regular email at the contact address for the domain registration. I've never had a reply.

GreyEagle 05-17-2013 07:42 PM

Re: Spam, spam, spam...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SeanF
Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyEagle
just six months (Dec 2012) ago we only had 4500 members........ and most of those where inactive........ as of today.... Total members 18648
Anyone know how to reach Steve, our administrator ?


Registered users: 9h91532ey, aadmm617, abbow234, ai0b4h8b, bbdum818, beckyrec72v, beijuamtmi, bieatbel5v, cw41hv6518, dasanhuanj9, derdirw03k, Eightgeten, gcbey847jl, gmllvrpaa, Google [Bot], GreyEagle, i8b1tch6f, ikmjvjbdt, jdfes6odf544, ksjsgdrv2, lacinacm79, Malkieri, mamakiizk, maridbksqu, mouukswhws, occas56sya, outlet5yn4, patgqgy9i8d, pjhi0521, Poqwjsmcrdz, Psulbnwtbto, qrsoo341, sevens45tz, slchyhfw6, tuwef142, Waaxdqcsko, Waiepgkmrq, weunty12uc, yhkzzymd65
Legend: Administrators, How-to Crew, Moderators

STATISTICS
Total posts 94903 Total topics 8911 Total members 18648 Our newest member jobey736ul


I've tried contacting him several times via PM here at skoolie.net, and also via regular email at the contact address for the domain registration. I've never had a reply.

Same here...... Others have tried also...???????????

Skunky Bus 05-18-2013 08:21 PM

Re: Spam, spam, spam...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyEagle
9h91532ey, aadmm617, abbow234, ai0b4h8b, bbdum818, beckyrec72v, beijuamtmi, bieatbel5v, cw41hv6518, dasanhuanj9, derdirw03k, Eightgeten, gcbey847jl, gmllvrpaa, Google [Bot], GreyEagle, i8b1tch6f, ikmjvjbdt, jdfes6odf544, ksjsgdrv2, lacinacm79, Malkieri, mamakiizk, maridbksqu, mouukswhws, occas56sya, outlet5yn4, patgqgy9i8d, pjhi0521, Poqwjsmcrdz, Psulbnwtbto, qrsoo341, sevens45tz, slchyhfw6, tuwef142, Waaxdqcsko, Waiepgkmrq, weunty12uc, yhkzzymd65

Was just perusing the list of posts under Classifieds/Wish List and noticed this at the bottom:

fbpfwfab, fglozbzuyt, ndtfdzjt, Skunky Bus and 2 guests

Gee...which ones do you suppose are the real Skoolie.netters? The one with English (less specifically, real language) names? (Not counting Google [Bot].)

How to pronounce "fbpfwfab," "fglozbzuyt," et cetera? "GET-uh-LYFE."

SeanF 05-18-2013 08:48 PM

Re: Spam, spam, spam...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Skunky Bus
Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyEagle
9h91532ey, aadmm617, abbow234, ai0b4h8b, bbdum818, beckyrec72v, beijuamtmi, bieatbel5v, cw41hv6518, dasanhuanj9, derdirw03k, Eightgeten, gcbey847jl, gmllvrpaa, Google [Bot], GreyEagle, i8b1tch6f, ikmjvjbdt, jdfes6odf544, ksjsgdrv2, lacinacm79, Malkieri, mamakiizk, maridbksqu, mouukswhws, occas56sya, outlet5yn4, patgqgy9i8d, pjhi0521, Poqwjsmcrdz, Psulbnwtbto, qrsoo341, sevens45tz, slchyhfw6, tuwef142, Waaxdqcsko, Waiepgkmrq, weunty12uc, yhkzzymd65

Was just perusing the list of posts under Classifieds/Wish List and noticed this at the bottom:

fbpfwfab, fglozbzuyt, ndtfdzjt, Skunky Bus and 2 guests

Gee...which ones do you suppose are the real Skoolie.netters? The one with English (less specifically, real language) names? (Not counting Google [Bot].)

How to pronounce "fbpfwfab," "fglozbzuyt," et cetera? "GET-uh-LYFE."

When I'm sifting through spam messages in the queue, I sort the list by author. The legitimate names really stand out & it makes moderating the spam go a little more smoothly.

SeanF 05-23-2013 01:23 AM

Re: Spam, spam, spam...
 
I started a new job on Monday and don't really have much in the way of time & energy to deal with the spam. It's a shame Steve can't or won't offer a little assistance. :?

lornaschinske 05-23-2013 05:51 PM

Re: Spam, spam, spam...
 
Maybe you need a "first post" thread (name it what ever is applicable) in which the only way to get approved to post is to post in the "first post" thread (read a sticky to know how to get approved... maybe include a "What's the secret password" type question with a single word answer like "Is water wet or dry?" or "What colour is the bus in the picture shown"). Make the post include something that a spammer won't post. Then auto delete the other "new" posters that don't post in the "first post" thread. It might bug a few newbies but it might help cut down on the spammers. Just an idea.


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