Adding CoPilot Seat

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Looking for any tips on what kind of structural framing I will need to bolt a co pilot seat down. Looking at the original driver seat, it seems like it was primarily bolted through the floor but nothing significant.

I am swapping the seats out for the Toyota Sienna seats and want to put swivel + air ride pedestal on them. Because the door is moved midship, I need to build out the floor where the old steps were located in the front.

Just looking for opinions and ideas on structure.

-G
 
hello, not sure what ya got but i tack welded nuts underneath my metal floor and simply ran long bolts from the seat.
no back-up needed.
i can also easily remove the seat with just 4 bolts.
just make sure your floor is strong and not all rusted out LOL
 

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I swapped 2023 Sienna 2nd row seats into my bus. They're comfy seats and the integrated seatbelt simplified some things, but also meant I couldn't do an air ride seat base. I could only find two swivel base designs that certified their product for use with integrated seatbelts, and they're beefy steel boat anchors. Most swivel and air ride bases are designed to hold the seat down, but require separate seatbelt tethers that attach to the floor or a wholly separate seatbelt assembly that connects to the floor and/or wall pillar to secure the passenger in a crash.

Google "seat swivel base integrated seat belt" and look at the options from shop4seats.com and discountvantruck.com
 
When bolting through sheet metal, a wide washer is used underneath to spread the load. Grade 5 or better bolts.
 
I bolted a couple sections of L-track to the floor of the bus, then bolted the seat to that on the inside…did the same for the driver’s seat when I reinstalled it….easier to remove the seat if needed. (For reference, all of the original bus seats were bolted in to L-track.)
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Mine is a folding third-row seat from a Ford Explorer, with an integrated seatbelt, custom mounted on a swivel base, that is U-bolted through the floor around the right side frame rail. Probably safer than the original.
 
Mine is a folding third-row seat from a Ford Explorer, with an integrated seatbelt, custom mounted on a swivel base, that is U-bolted through the floor around the right side frame rail. Probably safer than the original.
Which swivel did you use with the integrated seatbelt chair?
 
I don't mean to be a downer, but those bars are kinda important (in some cases). Nearly all swivel and air ride seat pedestals are designed to hold the seat in place during normal driving, but they are not designed to hold the occupant in place during a crash. The seatbelt serves that purpose, and it needs to be solidly mounted directly to the vehicle.

Many air ride and swivel seats don't have an integrated seatbelt, but instead have a lap belt attached to those bars, then tethers that go from the bars down to the mounting points on the vehicle.

Another option is to mount the seatbelt directly to the floor and/or wall without tethers. With the seatbelt completely separate from the seat, you can swivel freely, but still have a functional seatbelt when facing forward.

If your seats have integrated seatbelts, the only option I could find was to buy a swivel base that was engineered for use with integrated seatbelts. I'd guess that mine are 75 lbs a piece and when locked into the forward position, a ~6" wide flange of beefy steel attached to the seat portion locks in underneath an equally beefy flange on the base portion. That's what replaces the tethers and transfers the crash load of the seat and occupant to the mounting bolts and vehicle frame.

I've seen numerous builds where smart people have used those Amazon swivel bases without tethers. So maybe I'm missing something here. I couldn't get confirmation that they were designed for use with integrated seatbelts, so personally, I couldn't bring myself to trust using then for that purpose.
 
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I hear ya. In this case though, the Ford third row has an integrated seatbelt that did not attach in any way to the car itself. It was all contained in the seat. The seat was then bolted to the car with four Grade 8 bolts from the factory. In my case, the swivel mount is bolted directly through the floor and around the right side truck frame rail underneath the bus using Grade 8 hardware. The Ford seat was then Grade 8 bolted to the swivel mount. So, in effect, I replicated what the Ford engineers did, only with sort of a swivel mount spacer. The driver's side seat on the GMC, only bolts in x4 with integrated plates in the floor, not even connected to the frame. The shinbusters are for seats that don't have an integrated seatbelt.

That said, you do make some great points and everybody's applications are probably going to be slightly different. Safety is No. 1 and we built that seat to match that end.
 
I put 2021 - 2023 Toyota Sienna second row sets in for my drivers seat and my passenger seat. I put a swivel base on the bottom of the passenger seat.

Look at how your original driver seat was bolted in. Mine just had bolts going through the sheet metal bottom. We connected our new seats the same way.

If you are close to Houston, there is a guy who sells the Sienna seats for $250 each. They have the built in seat belt. Here's more information here: Install Toyota Sienna seat
 
@Slapdash, as I implied earlier, I might be the only person who's worried about this. I understand what you're describing and I also have seats with the seatbelts built into them (second row takeouts from a 2023 Toyota Sienna van). The seat and seabelt are plenty strong because they were engineered to be. The bolts that connect the swivel base to your bus sound like they're up to the task. But that swivel base (without seatbelt tethers) is the weak link in the system. It was not designed to be used as the only connection between an integrated seatbelt seat and the floor. It was designed for tethers to be connected at that bar, forming a direct link between the seatbelt and the vehicle. It's a sturdy piece of metal that looks like it would feel pretty stout under normal sitting conditions, but in a crash?
 
Seat belts are considered road kosher as long as there is a direct or indirect connection to the frame of the vehicle.

What this means is that if you have a swivel seat mounted to the floor, it's connected to the frame. No seat manufacturer should ever sell a seat, nor can they legally without proper crash testing before selling the seat or putting it in a vehicle.

But sometimes we do modify things in the skoolie world so a good rule of thumb is that as long as it's all steel from frame to seat belt you should be fine.

If you added say a couch, you have steel chair rail in your bus, couch next do it. if you mount the belts to the chair rail it's gonna be perfectly fine. If you bolt the belts to the wood of the couch which is mounted by steel to the chair railing, this is not fine.

Wood cannot be used safely in the use of seat belt mounting.

If we used said scenario, and the couch has a metal frame, and it's chair rail to metal couch frame, and seat belts are bolted to said frame, this would be considered safe and acceptable. Our bus seats that come with the bus are done exactly like this.

But if there's a weaker medium in the middle of where you are bolting those seat belts and the floor or chair rail, this is not acceptable, but again if a swivel seat manufacturer has the belts already on the upper half of the swivel seat this is fine and safe as it's already been crash tested to be sufficient enough regardless of what we feel about it.
 
Seat belts are considered road kosher as long as there is a direct or indirect connection to the frame of the vehicle.

What this means is that if you have a swivel seat mounted to the floor, it's connected to the frame. No seat manufacturer should ever sell a seat, nor can they legally without proper crash testing before selling the seat or putting it in a vehicle.

But sometimes we do modify things in the skoolie world so a good rule of thumb is that as long as it's all steel from frame to seat belt you should be fine.

If you added say a couch, you have steel chair rail in your bus, couch next do it. if you mount the belts to the chair rail it's gonna be perfectly fine. If you bolt the belts to the wood of the couch which is mounted by steel to the chair railing, this is not fine.

Wood cannot be used safely in the use of seat belt mounting.

If we used said scenario, and the couch has a metal frame, and it's chair rail to metal couch frame, and seat belts are bolted to said frame, this would be considered safe and acceptable. Our bus seats that come with the bus are done exactly like this.

But if there's a weaker medium in the middle of where you are bolting those seat belts and the floor or chair rail, this is not acceptable, but again if a swivel seat manufacturer has the belts already on the upper half of the swivel seat this is fine and safe as it's already been crash tested to be sufficient enough regardless of what we feel about it.
You just made up all of that out of thin air, but present it as if you're the world expert on seat safety. Steel does not make something inherently safe just as wood does not inherently make something unsafe. Your statement about all seats legally having to be crash tested is also patently false. If you're going to make up stuff, please do it about topics that won't get people hurt.

One place you can find real information about seat safety is by reading the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS). Apparently section 207 deals with seats and seatbelts. I'm too lazy and/or dense to read and understand that, so when I was shopping for seat swivels, I asked the manufacturers if they had been tested to meet FMVSS. I never got a response from RecPro or FactoryRV, both of whom make seat swivels that appear identical to the one linked earlier. To be fair, I do remember seeing some other company (sorry, can't remember who) that made a very similar-looking pedestal that claimed it was FMVSS tested.

Even if you get an FMVSS tested product, though, it isn't "safe" unless you install it properly in the way that it was designed to be used. Because that pedestal has a seat belt bar that I assumed was there for a reason, I asked RecPro and FactoryRV if their product was designed for use with seats with integrated seatbelts. Again, crickets when I asked a few years ago. I asked again yesterday because of this thread, and got a pretty quick response from FactoryRV to the effect that they'd have to check and get back to me, since nobody had every asked them that before. I hope I'm wrong about that style of pedestal, because there are numerous examples of them being used with integrated seatbelt seats on the internet. If they get back to me with an answer I'll post it here.

For me, I wasn't satisfied not knowing if the seats I put my wife and kids in were safe. There are a few swivel pedestal models that are both FMVSS tested AND designed for use with integrated seatbelt seats. That's what I used because it made me feel confident. The sheer mass of them is reassuring if nothing else.

When it comes to safety of your loved ones, don't believe people on the internet (including me!). Reach out to the manufacturer and find out how it's tested, what it's intended use is, and how to properly install it.
 
You just made up all of that out of thin air, but present it as if you're the world expert on seat safety. Steel does not make something inherently safe just as wood does not inherently make something unsafe. Your statement about all seats legally having to be crash tested is also patently false. If you're going to make up stuff, please do it about topics that won't get people hurt.

One place you can find real information about seat safety is by reading the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS). Apparently section 207 deals with seats and seatbelts. I'm too lazy and/or dense to read and understand that, so when I was shopping for seat swivels, I asked the manufacturers if they had been tested to meet FMVSS. I never got a response from RecPro or FactoryRV, both of whom make seat swivels that appear identical to the one linked earlier. To be fair, I do remember seeing some other company (sorry, can't remember who) that made a very similar-looking pedestal that claimed it was FMVSS tested.

Even if you get an FMVSS tested product, though, it isn't "safe" unless you install it properly in the way that it was designed to be used. Because that pedestal has a seat belt bar that I assumed was there for a reason, I asked RecPro and FactoryRV if their product was designed for use with seats with integrated seatbelts. Again, crickets when I asked a few years ago. I asked again yesterday because of this thread, and got a pretty quick response from FactoryRV to the effect that they'd have to check and get back to me, since nobody had every asked them that before. I hope I'm wrong about that style of pedestal, because there are numerous examples of them being used with integrated seatbelt seats on the internet. If they get back to me with an answer I'll post it here.

For me, I wasn't satisfied not knowing if the seats I put my wife and kids in were safe. There are a few swivel pedestal models that are both FMVSS tested AND designed for use with integrated seatbelt seats. That's what I used because it made me feel confident. The sheer mass of them is reassuring if nothing else.

When it comes to safety of your loved ones, don't believe people on the internet (including me!). Reach out to the manufacturer and find out how it's tested, what it's intended use is, and how to properly install it.
Okay, First off, I never said I was the world expert. This kind of remark from you tells me that you are sick of my posts and are taking it out on me in a petty way. You don't like that I post about things I know or maybe you just don't like me, and that's fine, but I do help people and that's why I do these things.

The FMVSS. There are of course safety standards that car manufactures follow for seat belt safety. I stated that there are safety standards that car manufacturers use in my original post. Are you saying this is false and I made this up? Just because I don't ALWAYS put the encyclopedia does not make my statements false.

Secondly, Steel makes things far safer than wood, and it's known fact that for a seat belt to work properly it needs to be mounted directly or indirectly to the frame of the vehicle. This is common knowledge but also I stated this because it's in the FMVSS Regulation. Not something I made up. Seat belts are like the phrase, "You're only as strong as the weakest link". If you cannot comprehend this simple construct, I cannot help you. If something is in that chain is weak such as wood, guess what, your seat belts that hold you stationary are limited to that wood. The industry is not using Titanium, (It can be softer than steel in some cases) they are using steel mounts and in some cases steel wire bolted directly to the floor. These are well established facts. Not made up items by me.

So because you called me out. I didn't want to have to do this, but here is the Code of Federal regulations with summaries for lamens to understand. I post the actual code, and I present a summary for those who don't speak legalise. I bold underline the important statistics and facts in case you don't want to see the whole wall of text.

Regarding seat belt Anchorage:
Code of federal regulations:
571.210 Standard No. 210, Seat belt assembly anchorages.

S1. Purpose and scope. This standard establishes requirements for seat belt assembly anchorages to insure their proper location for effective occupant restraint and to reduce the likelihood of their FAILURE.

Summary: This means the purpose of this regulation is to reduce failure with the process of the belt and mounting.

S2. Application. This standard applies to passenger cars, multipurpose passenger vehicles, trucks, buses, and school buses.

Summary: School Buses are included.

S3. Showing school bus application only here:
School bus torso belt adjusted height:
Means the vertical height above the seating reference point (SgRP) of the horizontal plane containing a segment of the torso belt centerline located 25 mm to 75 mm forward of the torso belt height adjuster device, when the torso belt retractor is locked and the torso belt is pulled away from the seat back by applying a 20 N horizontal force in the forward direction through the webbing at a location 100 mm or more forward of the adjustment device as shown in Figure 5.

Summary of S3 Belt Adjusted Height: The belt mechanism needs to survive materially 20 N which is newtons or newton meters. So this answers the mounting questions regarding strength of anchoring the belt. IF anywhere in the chain of the mounting to the frame it's less than 20 Newtons, it's not considered safe federally. A 1/8th inch steel bar requires roughly 68.3 Newtons to bend. Which is width of a chair railing. So a 1/8th inch steel bar which is thin provides nearly 3.5 times the required federal Strength. Pine which is commonly used can have as low as 3 Newtons of force to break at the lowest, and up to as high as steel depending on using a harder wood, or compressed manufactured wood, but wood has different properties and is threaded by nature and results can very greatly. Hence don't use wood. Even bad steel with impurities due to it's properties can maintain close to it's 68 N rating at that thickness and will be over the required 20 N. Follow the height to torso values listed above.

School bus torso belt anchor point:
The midpoint of the torso belt width where the torso belt first contacts the uppermost torso belt anchorage. Seat belt anchorage means any component, other than the webbing or straps, involved in transferring seat belt loads to the VEHICLE STRUCTURE, including, but not limited to, the attachment hardware, seat frames, seat pedestals, THE VEHICLE STRUCTURE ITSELF, and any part of the vehicle whose FAILURE CAUSES SEPARATION OF THE BELT FROM THE VEHICLE STRUCTURE.

Summary: Pretty much exactly what I stated in my first post.

"Designated seating position" means:
Part 1: (omitted as it only covers vehicles less than 10k GVWR)
Part 2:For vehicles manufactured on and after September 1, 2011, designated seating position means a seat location that has a seating surface width, as described in § 571.10(c) of this part, of at least 330 mm (13 inches). The number of designated seating positions at a seat location is determined according to the procedure set forth in § 571.10(b) of this part. However, for trucks and multipurpose passenger vehicles with a gross vehicle weight rating greater than 10,000 lbs, police vehicles as defined in S7 of FMVSS No. 208, firefighting vehicles, ambulances, and motor homes, a seating location that is labeled in accordance with S4.4 of FMVSS No. 207 will not be considered a designated seating position. For the sole purpose of determining the classification of any vehicle sold or introduced into interstate commerce for purposes that include carrying students to and from school or related events, any location in such a vehicle intended for securement of an occupied wheelchair during vehicle operation is regarded as four designated seating positions.

Summary of what Part2 is stating here. If vehicle is over 10k GVWR, S4.4 of FMVSS No. 207 will NOT be considered a legal designated seating position. Also most of our buses are still considered commercial vehicles so the Interstate commerce line there applies to us. So belts are not even LEGALLY REQUIRED on the SCHOOL BUS!!! Unless your bus is a tiny bus under 10k. Sorry shorty bros in this category :( This is why children get on school buses every day on buses without belts. So by adding seat belts and mounting them to steel which is mounted to the vehicle structure, you are doing your family a solid and already improving the situation making them safe.

So I was right, and I didn't make it up. I just didn't go into depth previously, so please stop acting like I don't know what I'm talking about. I simplify things sometimes so regular people who don't want to go read the Regulations can go about their business. I'm not introducing anything unsafe to people.

I also don't post on posts I know nothing about or I state that I don't know at the beginning of the post and self label things as speculation to provoke thought. But if I don't put that header on my posts, going forward you will assume I know what I'm talking about.
 
So because you called me out. I didn't want to have to do this, but here is the Code of Federal regulations with summaries for lamens to understand. I post the actual code, and I present a summary for those who don't speak legalise. I bold underline the important statistics and facts in case you don't want to see the whole wall of text.
Your lame arguments might carry more weight if you had a firmer grasp of the King's English.
 
Your lame arguments might carry more weight if you had a firmer grasp of the King's English.
The ignore member isn't very effective when you view people you've ignored. We're both guilty I suppose, just had to point that out about us. :sneaky:

Regarding the Kings English. You're correct, I accept your criticism. I was born and raised in the south so we're about as far away from the Kings English as one can be. I do however try to speak properly in my posts, but it is easier to just be a tad lazy. I'm not always succinct, but when I am, what happened in this post happens. I get called out for not being detailed enough or accused of making **** up. So you can't really win. I can just prove my point a few times, and eventually people will realize i'm not just spouting bullshit, but facts, and they will learn about who I am and that I am genuinely trying to assist people.
 
Your lame arguments might carry more weight if you had a firmer grasp of the King's English.

Your reply would be logical if....it had been. The argument isn't negated via spelling errors; after all, "A rows by any other name would still smell as sweat", wright? :)

Nikitis, I think your intention was good, but some of your statements could have been taken wrong. Maybe they were a little too broad, and there are people around here that don't know enought to figure that out.

It's evident around here that there are a lot of people who want a bus, but have very little experience with fabrication or mechanical.....anything. I came here with stupid questions about putting a semi truck trans into a bus, and Caddykid actually had good answers that cured my ignorance. His patience with my questions was so helpful.

So, we probably need to "cut each other some slack" as I've heard it said. "Take it easy", "tolerate", whatever.....so the folks that don't even know enough to ask the question (or spell the answer) correctly can learn. Ignorance is curable with knowledge.
 
Okay, First off, I never said I was the world expert. This kind of remark from you tells me that you are sick of my posts and are taking it out on me in a petty way. You don't like that I post about things I know or maybe you just don't like me, and that's fine, but I do help people and that's why I do these things.

The FMVSS. There are of course safety standards that car manufactures follow for seat belt safety. I stated that there are safety standards that car manufacturers use in my original post. Are you saying this is false and I made this up? Just because I don't ALWAYS put the encyclopedia does not make my statements false.

Secondly, Steel makes things far safer than wood, and it's known fact that for a seat belt to work properly it needs to be mounted directly or indirectly to the frame of the vehicle. This is common knowledge but also I stated this because it's in the FMVSS Regulation. Not something I made up. Seat belts are like the phrase, "You're only as strong as the weakest link". If you cannot comprehend this simple construct, I cannot help you. If something is in that chain is weak such as wood, guess what, your seat belts that hold you stationary are limited to that wood. The industry is not using Titanium, (It can be softer than steel in some cases) they are using steel mounts and in some cases steel wire bolted directly to the floor. These are well established facts. Not made up items by me.

So because you called me out. I didn't want to have to do this, but here is the Code of Federal regulations with summaries for lamens to understand. I post the actual code, and I present a summary for those who don't speak legalise. I bold underline the important statistics and facts in case you don't want to see the whole wall of text.

Regarding seat belt Anchorage:
Code of federal regulations:
571.210 Standard No. 210, Seat belt assembly anchorages.

S1. Purpose and scope. This standard establishes requirements for seat belt assembly anchorages to insure their proper location for effective occupant restraint and to reduce the likelihood of their FAILURE.

Summary: This means the purpose of this regulation is to reduce failure with the process of the belt and mounting.

S2. Application. This standard applies to passenger cars, multipurpose passenger vehicles, trucks, buses, and school buses.

Summary: School Buses are included.

S3. Showing school bus application only here:
School bus torso belt adjusted height:
Means the vertical height above the seating reference point (SgRP) of the horizontal plane containing a segment of the torso belt centerline located 25 mm to 75 mm forward of the torso belt height adjuster device, when the torso belt retractor is locked and the torso belt is pulled away from the seat back by applying a 20 N horizontal force in the forward direction through the webbing at a location 100 mm or more forward of the adjustment device as shown in Figure 5.

Summary of S3 Belt Adjusted Height: The belt mechanism needs to survive materially 20 N which is newtons or newton meters. So this answers the mounting questions regarding strength of anchoring the belt. IF anywhere in the chain of the mounting to the frame it's less than 20 Newtons, it's not considered safe federally. A 1/8th inch steel bar requires roughly 68.3 Newtons to bend. Which is width of a chair railing. So a 1/8th inch steel bar which is thin provides nearly 3.5 times the required federal Strength. Pine which is commonly used can have as low as 3 Newtons of force to break at the lowest, and up to as high as steel depending on using a harder wood, or compressed manufactured wood, but wood has different properties and is threaded by nature and results can very greatly. Hence don't use wood. Even bad steel with impurities due to it's properties can maintain close to it's 68 N rating at that thickness and will be over the required 20 N. Follow the height to torso values listed above.

School bus torso belt anchor point:
The midpoint of the torso belt width where the torso belt first contacts the uppermost torso belt anchorage. Seat belt anchorage means any component, other than the webbing or straps, involved in transferring seat belt loads to the VEHICLE STRUCTURE, including, but not limited to, the attachment hardware, seat frames, seat pedestals, THE VEHICLE STRUCTURE ITSELF, and any part of the vehicle whose FAILURE CAUSES SEPARATION OF THE BELT FROM THE VEHICLE STRUCTURE.

Summary: Pretty much exactly what I stated in my first post.

"Designated seating position" means:
Part 1: (omitted as it only covers vehicles less than 10k GVWR)
Part 2:For vehicles manufactured on and after September 1, 2011, designated seating position means a seat location that has a seating surface width, as described in § 571.10(c) of this part, of at least 330 mm (13 inches). The number of designated seating positions at a seat location is determined according to the procedure set forth in § 571.10(b) of this part. However, for trucks and multipurpose passenger vehicles with a gross vehicle weight rating greater than 10,000 lbs, police vehicles as defined in S7 of FMVSS No. 208, firefighting vehicles, ambulances, and motor homes, a seating location that is labeled in accordance with S4.4 of FMVSS No. 207 will not be considered a designated seating position. For the sole purpose of determining the classification of any vehicle sold or introduced into interstate commerce for purposes that include carrying students to and from school or related events, any location in such a vehicle intended for securement of an occupied wheelchair during vehicle operation is regarded as four designated seating positions.

Summary of what Part2 is stating here. If vehicle is over 10k GVWR, S4.4 of FMVSS No. 207 will NOT be considered a legal designated seating position. Also most of our buses are still considered commercial vehicles so the Interstate commerce line there applies to us. So belts are not even LEGALLY REQUIRED on the SCHOOL BUS!!! Unless your bus is a tiny bus under 10k. Sorry shorty bros in this category :( This is why children get on school buses every day on buses without belts. So by adding seat belts and mounting them to steel which is mounted to the vehicle structure, you are doing your family a solid and already improving the situation making them safe.

So I was right, and I didn't make it up. I just didn't go into depth previously, so please stop acting like I don't know what I'm talking about. I simplify things sometimes so regular people who don't want to go read the Regulations can go about their business. I'm not introducing anything unsafe to people.

I also don't post on posts I know nothing about or I state that I don't know at the beginning of the post and self label things as speculation to provoke thought. But if I don't put that header on my posts, going forward you will assume I know what I'm talking about.

This is fantastic evidence to my point - do not trust what you read from some random dude on the Internet. If you are reading this thread with the intention of installing safe seating in your bus, you need to understand the equipment you buy. The best way to do this is to contact the manufacturer for information about intended use, installation procedures, and safety testing.

A few notes:
-Newtons are not the same as Newton-meters. I'm terrified that you're giving safety advice and don't know that.
-20 Newtons is approximately 5 lbs of force. Maybe you copied a section of code regulating the force required to trigger an auto-locking mechanism in a seatbelt shoulder harness? Not going to take the time to Internet sleuth this. That's on you to mentally fact check if your argument makes sense before posting.
-"1/8th inch bar takes roughly 68.3 Newtons to bend". 68.3 N is about 15 lbs force, so not much, but more importantly this is a useless argument if made without any context. Is it 1/8" flat bar? If so, how wide? Along which axis is it being bent? Was the force applied at a large distance from where the steel was secured? I could go on, but the point is that saying things like "steel all the way to the frame and you're OK" is far too oversimplified to be true in all cases.

There's a lot more to parse here, but I think that's enough time spent on this. Anything I say will just make you triple and quadruple down. I'll just re-check that block button and go back to enjoying buses.
 

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