Barnaby the Bus Conversion

This is a 295R70/22.5 on the back. The guy at the shop said this is the next size up, not something like a 10R22.5 or 11R22.5. I don't even understand tire sizes anyway. The internet is all over the place on them, too.


https://tiresize.com/comparison/ can help you to visualize the difference. The tires he put on are 16% wider and 6% taller.

Normal tire sizes are expressed as:


[width in mm] / [aspect ratio in %] R [rim diameter in inches]


(the R just stands for radial btw)


Aspect ratio is the sidewall / width expressed as %. So your old tires were 255 mm wide (10 inches), 70% of that is 178mm (7 inches), that's your sidewall height. Add 2x that to the rim diameter (7 * 2 + 22.5) and you get your overall diameter (36.5) (there are some rounding errors converting from mm to inches)


For truck tire sizes like 10R22.5, it's [width in inches] R [rim diameter in inches]. The aspect ratio is always 88%, so if you want to plug in those sizes to the calculator above, just multiply the width by 25.4 to get mm for the first number, and use 88 as the second number.


10R22.5 would have been even taller at 9.8% larger than your originals, but the same width. So assuming that the tires he installed are sufficiently rated for the rear axle weight limit (or less if you're willing to sacrifice load capacity compared to the sticker in the bus) then you're good.

There are probably other sizes in-between like 255/80R22.5 that have a slightly smaller increase in height and without adding to the width compared to the originals. However truck tires generally are skinnier and run a much higher pressure to compensate for the heavy load (skinnier means better fuel economy). So the reason your guy might have increased the width is to ensure it can handle the weight of your bus at a lower pressure, or that was the smallest he had that had sufficient load rating to match the sticker on your bus. Or it could just be what he had in stock at the warehouse.


As for clearance to the fender, you want to consider worst case of going over a big bump and hitting bump stops when the suspension is fully compressed for a moment. The biggest question is does your bus have air ride in the rear or leaf springs?

If air ride, it mostly will have the same ride height when empty as well as loaded. Just make sure you're not overloaded once you've added all your materials, water tanks, batteries, solar, and people inside. While it's empty, take it to a CAT scale and get a weight slip so you know how much weight is on each axle, compare that to the sticker inside so you know how much you can add, and try to stay well below that. These buses can take a LOT of weight...but I've seen people create dangerous situations by putting all their water in the rear for example, putting too much weight on the rear axle and making the front light.


Anyway, if it's air ride, don't expect it to sit much lower when loaded...but regardless you need to check that it doesn't rub when going over bumps, which you won't know until you have some load in it. So my advice is to wait and see, but definitely don't forget to check! As for a small lift, there may have been others on here doing that but I don't know the first thing about axle geometry except that it's black magic :wink1:


If you're really only adding 2000 lbs (that's light!) then my gut feeling is that it'll be fine, especially with leaf springs as they're going to be made for much more weight, so it'll ride very stiff without much weight. even with air ride it'll still feel kinda stiff when empty because the shocks are tuned for more load (the shocks determine how fast the suspension can respond to bumps).


All that to say: the only way to know if it'll rub is to see if it rubs. Just keep watching for scrapes/grooves on the sidewall and tread where it might be meeting metal when hitting bumps. Other's here might have more experience with knowing how much suspension travel to expect in practice and you might be able to judge how much it "might" move.




Anyway, I'm looking forward to see this come to life!
 
Thanks Carleeno, that's actually really helpful. I do remember reading that the first number is the width of the tire, with the second number being the height as a percentage of the width. But by the time I got to the tire shop I had it in my mind that the first number represented the diameter or something, or maybe the radius. Also, I didn't quite get the size right of the tire we tried on. It was a 295/75R22.5, not a 295/70R22.5. Going by the tire size comparison website, a difference of 3.3 inches overall compared to the 255/70R22.5, which translates into a reduction of the wheel well clearance by just under 2 inches.

I have air suspension by the way. It's good to hear that a weight increase doesn't really affect the ride height. As for that added weight, 2,000 Lbs. was just a guess and you're right, it will probably be more than that, although I do plan to be weight-conscious in my build. No 2x4 framing or anything like that. I'll take your advice and put it on the scales soon for an obesity check.

As for the axle geometry, I think it might be the kind of thing one finds out experientially... I did come across an earlier thread where EastCoastCB posted some images of his supercool FS65 with what looks like 4- or maybe even 5-inch (!) factory installed (!!) spacers on both the back and front axles. Look:

3gxcSNq.jpeg

I hope it's ok to re-post a picture by another member. My apologies if that's not allowed.

I will have to ask him how that worked.
 
Last edited:
I forgot to mention with air suspension, you can see what it'll look like at full compression by dumping the air. Either wait long enough and if you have a small air leak it'll let down eventually, or find the right fitting/line to pull (it'll be loud) to dump the rear air bags and it'll drop. Depending on how your system is valved you might want to dump the tanks first so it doesn't try to refill the airbags if it's always active.
 
I forgot to mention with air suspension, you can see what it'll look like at full compression by dumping the air. Either wait long enough and if you have a small air leak it'll let down eventually, or find the right fitting/line to pull (it'll be loud) to dump the rear air bags and it'll drop. Depending on how your system is valved you might want to dump the tanks first so it doesn't try to refill the airbags if it's always active.

That was very helpful! I decided that I could do with some more room in the back and had a shop put in a modest 2 inch spacer on the back leaf springs.

IMG_8933.jpg

My guess is that with such a small lift the drivetrain geometry is not affected to the point where it will cause problems. My guess could be wrong however...

Work has been progressing in fits and starts, mostly fits, because I have a job unfortunately. At any rate, the interior is slowly coming out. I am so glad all the sheet metal is only screwed together and not riveted (which is not something I was on the lookout for when I searched for a suitable conversion candidate; it was just serendipity. But if I ever buy another bus I think it will be on my list of top five must-haves). Deconstructing the interior has been pretty uneventful so far. Only about one in ten screws refused to come out, and those were easily persuaded with an angle grinder and a slotted screwdriver.

IMG_8969.jpg

It all looks pretty clean up there, except for some surface rust on the shelf above the dashboard, over in the area of the windshield wiper motors. Another thing I found there:

IMG_7897.jpg

Sadly, I think this is an old nest and those are not going to be cool-looking birds of some kind. They are also too small for an omelet.

IMG_8936.jpg

Here's the grill with a fresh coat of paint. I also ditched the pedestrian Freightliner badge and slapped on a bougie Mercedes Benz emblem, which immediately made my bus ten percent more luxurious.

As I've said before, one of the things I look forward to is learning how to weld. I was concerned, though, that my welding was going to look pretty amateurish on a professionally built vehicle.

IMG_8971.jpg

I need not have worried. The frame welding looks like it has been done by a paraplegic monkey. I'm sure I can do as well.

Speaking of the frame, I will need to drive the bus a little while the interior sheetmetal is out. Is that stuff needed at all for rigidity?
 
That was very helpful! I decided that I could do with some more room in the back and had a shop put in a modest 2 inch spacer on the back leaf springs.


Awesome! Hopefully there's not much lateral load on those coupling nuts used as spacers, they're not the strongest in a bending load. Spacer blocks with longer bolts would be stronger...but I could just be over-engineering it...if that's a normal solution that other people have had success with then it's fine.


Speaking of the frame, I will need to drive the bus a little while the interior sheetmetal is out. Is that stuff needed at all for rigidity?

Nah, people argue about seat rails and rub rails adding rigidity, but only enough that it would matter in an accident, and not matter enough to change whether it's a write-off or not, just matters in how much the walls get crushed in and potentially harm the kids inside.

I drove my C2 with no interior panels or seat rail (before I added spray foam), and those panels were epoxied in, so they were as structural as it gets...the body didn't flop over while I was driving :biggrin: (though it was noisier than normal for sure)
 
That was very helpful! I decided that I could do with some more room in the back and had a shop put in a modest 2 inch spacer on the back leaf springs.

View attachment 81100

My guess is that with such a small lift the drivetrain geometry is not affected to the point where it will cause problems. My guess could be wrong however...

Work has been progressing in fits and starts, mostly fits, because I have a job unfortunately. At any rate, the interior is slowly coming out. I am so glad all the sheet metal is only screwed together and not riveted (which is not something I was on the lookout for when I searched for a suitable conversion candidate; it was just serendipity. But if I ever buy another bus I think it will be on my list of top five must-haves). Deconstructing the interior has been pretty uneventful so far. Only about one in ten screws refused to come out, and those were easily persuaded with an angle grinder and a slotted screwdriver.

View attachment 81103

It all looks pretty clean up there, except for some surface rust on the shelf above the dashboard, over in the area of the windshield wiper motors. Another thing I found there:

View attachment 81106

Sadly, I think this is an old nest and those are not going to be cool-looking birds of some kind. They are also too small for an omelet.

View attachment 81101

Here's the grill with a fresh coat of paint. I also ditched the pedestrian Freightliner badge and slapped on a bougie Mercedes Benz emblem, which immediately made my bus ten percent more luxurious.

As I've said before, one of the things I look forward to is learning how to weld. I was concerned, though, that my welding was going to look pretty amateurish on a professionally built vehicle.

View attachment 81104

I need not have worried. The frame welding looks like it has been done by a paraplegic monkey. I'm sure I can do as well.

Speaking of the frame, I will need to drive the bus a little while the interior sheetmetal is out. Is that stuff needed at all for rigidity?


on my red bus when I did a transmission and rear end swap i had to adjust the height of my rear ride slightly and shim my carrier bearing a bit to get the driveline geometry correct again.. a couple inches different on the rear can possiby change your pinion angle.. the axle rotates forward and back with ride height on the factory air suspensions ive seen. if you are geared somewhat short and running overdrive transmission you'll notice it more as your driveshaft RPM is higher.. but if you are running a tall rear gear with lowr shaft RPM it wont be as pronounced
 

Try RV LIFE Pro Free for 7 Days

  • New Ad-Free experience on this RV LIFE Community.
  • Plan the best RV Safe travel with RV LIFE Trip Wizard.
  • Navigate with our RV Safe GPS mobile app.
  • and much more...
Try RV LIFE Pro Today
Back
Top