Carrying firearms in an RV

[dburt-SKO]

Someone asked a question if anyone ever knew of a person that needed a gun, or had to use one to defend themselves. Yes, I do know several. And that was before I was a deputy sheriff years ago. Our Canadian friends seem to perhaps have fewer problem-type perps up north of the border, and seem scared of guns, so if they want to go naked and unprotected, that is thier right. Out here in the west, a gun in an RV is pretty much a given. I disagree with the advice to spill your guts right up front about having a firearm in your bus if you get pulled over for speeding or some other infraction. Keep the gun hidden but accessible, somewhere near the back, away from the driver's seat. Most cops don't need to know, or even care if you are packing. Be polite if stopped, don't argue, most of the time if a person is civil and polite, they get off with a warning unless they are really being a danger to themselves or others, or want to argue. And if the local laws are drafted by the socialist elite who don't want you to be able to protect yourself, move somewhere else!

There is an old say worth repeating- I would rather be tried by 12 then carried by 6!

 

[lapeer20m]

Someone asked a question if anyone ever knew of a person that needed a gun, or had to use one to defend themselves. Yes, I do know several. And that was before I was a deputy sheriff years ago. Our Canadian friends seem to perhaps have fewer problem-type perps up north of the border, and seem scared of guns, so if they want to go naked and unprotected, that is thier right. Out here in the west, a gun in an RV is pretty much a given. I disagree with the advice to spill your guts right up front about having a firearm in your bus if you get pulled over for speeding or some other infraction. Keep the gun hidden but accessible, somewhere near the back, away from the driver's seat. Most cops don't need to know, or even care if you are packing. Be polite if stopped, don't argue, most of the time if a person is civil and polite, they get off with a warning unless they are really being a danger to themselves or others, or want to argue. And if the local laws are drafted by the socialist elite who don't want you to be able to protect yourself, move somewhere else!

There is an old say worth repeating- I would rather be tried by 12 then carried by 6!

also remember that in almost every case, an officer cannot search your vehicle without your permission. If they are asking you for your permission, they most likely lack the probable cause to conduct the search.

 

[Redbear]

Another clueless newspaper - charging to access its website. Two of the local papers here tried that, and they are now laying off employees. Maybe one of them is seeing the light, which is the taillights of their competition leaving them in the financial dust. I won't cry when they are gone.

Papers don't survive on subscriptions - they survive on advertisers. Owners would put out 32 pages of ads every day with no news stories if they thought they could get away with it. If you want to make a difference, the thing to do is to go to each of their local advertisers, ask for the manager/owner, and apologize that you can't shop there anymore because they support the Herald-Times. A few ads getting canceled will get their attention faster than 100 readers canceling.

 

[Redbear]

If you do decide to carry, make sure you aren't confronted with your own gun:
http://gypsyjournal.net/blog/2009/12/05/a-violent-encounter/

 

[Abbott-SKO]

Thanks for the post Redbear.

 

[Abbott-SKO]

I have owned firearms since I was 12 years old.

All my firearms serve a purpose to me but I don't need them 24/7.

I have guns in a non-locking gun cabinet and an open rifle rack on the wall everyday at my house (if I'm home or not) and I am a responsible gun owner.

Just because a guy has a permit doesn't mean he has to or is obligated to carry all of the time.

Most often there is no need whatsoever to carry a firearm.

Often it's a flat out nuisance to carry a firearm especially without a John Wayne complex.

I am glad Nick and his family are ok and I'm glad he didn't have to suffer with taking someones life. Burglary is not a capital offense.

 

[Redbear]

I suspect it would have been referred to in the police blotter column "Sirens" in the Elkhart Truth, but you can't search back to prior dates' columns at their "etruth" site even if you register.

 

[lapeer20m]

Every sane American has the right to own and carry firearms for self protection, and protection of the state. ANY gun law is an infringement on this right. The rights stated in the constitution are not granted to us by the government.....rather they are inalienable rights that are not to be taken away BY the government.

unconstitutional gun laws have been passed starting about 1934? with the NFA. Laws have become more and more restrictive in the past 70 years. However, in the past 10 years or so the pendulum has begun to swing in the other direction. Look at the number of "shall issue" states, states with ccw reciprocity, made in montana laws, improved castle doctrine/self defense laws, the heller decision, and now hte chicago gun ban going before the supreme court. etc. I think gun laws are slowly getting chipped away, giving good law abiding citizens more freedom (which never should have been taken away to begin with)

Show me a gun law that has effectively reduced crime!

gun laws only affect law abiding citizens, making them vulnerable to well armed criminals.

gun free zones = criminal empowerment zones

 

[lapeer20m]

Burglary is not a capital offense.

breaking into someones home can definitely be hazardous to ones health! In many states people have the right to protect themselves from an intruder in their own home.

 

[Abbott-SKO]

Burglary is not a capital offense.

breaking into someones home can definitely be hazardous to ones health! In many states people have the right to protect themselves from an intruder in their own home.

Yes, I understand that folks have a right to protect themselves from harm and I fully support that right. But burglary itself is not a capitol offense and doesn't deserve the death penalty. I am always amazed at how many people think that they want to kill someone and speak as though they are looking for almost any opportunity that they can find to do so.

 

[lapeer20m]

Yes, I understand that folks have a right to protect themselves from harm and I fully support that right. But burglary itself is not a capitol offense and doesn't deserve the death penalty. I am always amazed at how many people think that they want to kill someone and speak as though they are looking for almost any opportunity that they can find to do so.

i agree. burglary is not a capitol offense. Shooting a person for stealing property is unethical in almost all cases, and illegal in most states. (perfectly legal in texas! legality and morality are two separate things)

good story on the above link about the guy getting his own gun pointed at him. A common misconception is that all airports are somehow off limits to firearms. Depends on the state you live in i guess, but here in MI, only the sterile areas are off limits to pistols. there is no federal rule that makes airports off limits to firearms. You can also travel with firearms in your checked baggage if you follow the rules, and the best part about that is that they can't go inspecting the case your pistol is locked in, only person that has access to your firearm case is YOU. A famous photographer always puts a gun in with his camera equipment when he travels, so the tsa employees can't disturb his camera equipment.

link to story about carrying guns in airports
http://www.eturbonews.com/5621/many-us- ... e-security

 

[thesaltydog24]

A famous photographer always puts a gun in with his camera equipment when he travels, so the tsa employees can't disturb his camera equipment.

That is a good idea. I'll have to look more into that.

 

[Abbott-SKO]

I have checked a sidearm as luggage several times without any problems. After declaring it I had to open it and show that it was unloaded and then place it into my luggage. I have also seen hunters standing in line at ticket counters with rifles in cases over their shoulders waiting their turn at the ticket counter.

Here are a few examples from others:

"There is no problem with this arrangement and he does not have to have a concealed carry permit. He should contact the airline that he is flying with for their particular procedure. I have flown on Southwest Airlines with a handgun in my checked lugage. The procedure that I folowed was to tell the person at the ticket counter that I had a handgun in my luggage prior to checking it. The luggage must be lockable and the gun must not be loaded. Any ammo must be in a separate checked bag that has a lock on it. The person at the ticket counter took me and the bag into a back room and examined the gun. He had me open the action and remove the magazine for his examination to be sure that it was unloaded. He then had me return it to the box that it was in, placed a card in my luggage to indicate that it had been inspected and attached a card to the outside of my luggage to indicate that it had been inspected. My luggage was then checked in and I was allowed to proceed to the gate. I think this has changed a bit now and you have to take your luggage with the gun to the Security Personnel where they do the checking and tagging. This is why you need to check with the airline prior to arriving at the airport so you can get through the security checks in as smooth a manner as possible. I have never had any problems. The security people may not be overly friendly but they will be professional and will not give you any hassle as long as you are doing everything that is required of you."

It must be stored seperately from ammo. ammo must be in a sealed ammo case (like the box from the store) the case must be locked and ony the gun owner keeps the key or combo. The gun must be declared and tagged on teh INSIDE (it is actually illegal to mark the bag on the outside, that is just a way that baggage handlers can see and steal it)

NOTE, most checkin people at the airlines and most TSA people are total morons and don't know the law nor their airline regulations.

Go to the airline carrier's website, and print the relevant parts of their policy. Highlight certain bits. Do the same with TSA regulations regarding guns. Walk in at least an hour early, and hand the ticket person your highlighted document regarding their policy and tell them you have a firearm to declare.

I can only speak about Continental Airlines...It cannot be packed in a regular bag...It has to be unloaded, and locked in an airline approved case with the airline approved locks...In December, I had to declare mine, and take it to the Federal Marshall...Open the case, show it was unloaded, and then they passed it for boarding in the hold....I was given a receipt for a declared firearm, and had to go to another place at my destination to claim the gun....I was told I could only bring 11 pounds of ammo, and it could be packed in the checked bag, but had to be declared also.....It varies by airline, so be prepared to follow every instruction, or it will not be approved....

 

[crazyidea]

Yes, I understand that folks have a right to protect themselves from harm and I fully support that right. But burglary itself is not a capitol offense and doesn't deserve the death penalty. I am always amazed at how many people think that they want to kill someone and speak as though they are looking for almost any opportunity that they can find to do so.

i agree. burglary is not a capitol offense. Shooting a person for stealing property is unethical in almost all cases, and illegal in most states. (perfectly legal in texas! legality and morality are two separate things)

True, but then there is the question of intent on the intruder's part. When someone wakes you in the middle of the night there is not always time, or the ideal circumstances, to determine whether or not the intruder is armed or not, or whether or not the intent is to steal or simply butcher a family. When protecting your own family it is wise to er on the side of caution and shoot the intruder rather than place the life of you and yours in the hands of someone who obviously has no regard for social order. Now, if you are trying to say that some people like to talk as if they are bloodthirsty then you may have a point. Some people like to sound big. However, a lot of people who say they would shoot an intruder are simply being logical. In an ideal world people wouldn't harm others, but well...

 

[Abbott-SKO]

I am not confusing protecting oneself and family with other situations.

 

[lapeer20m]

I would just like to say thank you to skoolie.net. Since researching the firearm laws of this state because of a question asked in this thread, I've become quite a proponent of firearms for personal protection. I open carry my handgun almost every day and i now have a concealed pistol license (cpl). Michigan is a pretty good state for firearm possession (there are a few negative things) but citizens can possess firearms almost anywhere in the state if they have a cpl, except for a court and federal facilities.

Now i can also conceal carry in most other states as well.

 

[warewolff]

Reigniting this thread almost seven years later. How many of you own firearms?

 

[AlleyCat67]

I have my TN HCP (Handgun Carry Permit) which allows me to carry most anywhere.... and it's reciprocal in I believe 38 states. I have a map somewhere that says who recognizes it and who doesn't (so I just won't go to places that don't).

I have 2 handguns... a Beretta Model 70 (uses .32 auto rounds) and a Colt Frontier .22LR revolver. Both date back to the mid 1960s.

Also 3 .22 rifles but they're put up and don't get fired much so I'm not sure what they are, but I do know one of them dates back to like 1935... I know this because I was trying to find out what they were worth and this particular one has a channel in the front grip which was eliminated at some point during '35 in favor of a flat grip. This one is a bolt action, the one I use most is a semi-auto with scope that will hold 18 rounds, the third is a semi-auto without scope with 18 round capacity.

 

[slaughridge85]

Reigniting this thread almost seven years later. How many of you own firearms?

Nice try G-Man...

But seriously though, I have an assortment... Actually have a .25 Auto from Spain in my pocket right now that is almost 100 years old.

 

[roach711]

Shhhhhhh. The Hildawg's thought police may soon be trolling for evil gun owners.