COVID-19 | Effects on Skoolies - No Politics please.

[Phatman]

Doesn’t sound like much of an option. I know I won’t be one.

 

[Booyah45828]

I sense a common theme in this thread- Not sure what some people are expecting / hoping for exactly- martial law? Hard enforcement of curfews? Arresting people who go out? What?

I'm questioning that in this thread too. We're all free men(and women) who should be able to make educated decisions without having a state policing us like subjects and arresting those who don't comply. I mean, if that's what you want, maybe the USA isn't the country for you.

Don't get me wrong, I'm taking this virus stuff seriously, because it spreads easily and is deadly for people that I love. I'm kind of a germ-a-phobe as is, and feel that a lot of humans are disgusting. So I was already frequently washing my hands, using hand sanitizer in public, and wiping surfaces with bleach long before any of this happened.

But we have the first amendment guaranteeing us the right to assemble. And if you think I'm going to sit down, and let any government violate that right with a stay at home law because of the "greater" good, you got another thing coming.

I'm in Ohio. Our governor DeWine got ahead of the game here and has managed to "flatten the curve" according to the data. The policies he enacted were met with resistance, but nobody can argue the results. They have definitely done what they were designed to do.

The thing about it is, he did all this before the virus was widespread throughout the state. A lot of it was done when we had little to no cases in the state. IMO, once the virus is widespread, quarantining at home and social distancing is like slamming the barn door after the horse has already ran out. That's what a lot of places, New York for instance, is dealing with now.

Truthfully, I think a significant number of people in urban areas on the coasts were infected with this before we even knew what we were dealing with. The whole virus seemed to have went from a small side-bar in the middle of the paper, to headlines over night. I think a large number of places were unprepared for this, but how could you be with such questionable info and data coming from the source of the virus.

 

[kazetsukai]

We all want to survive this thing, but if this thing manages to kill the economy and a lot of business cannot rebound, what then?

Then hungry folks will welcome gov't camps and those horrible civilian disaster mre's.

This is also crazy. "The economy" isn't a graph on a computer screen somewhere. Its everything everyone takes for granted- the reason pot shops exist to begin with, the reason people can eventually retire, and the reason this isn't some uncontrolled plague. Its the reason we're having this very conversation.


Throwing the future of the country into the garbage is not an option. This is not a simple matter that can be solved by taking "the right measures", this is a balancing act.



And suggesting people ought to go to "FEMA camps"... these are synonymous with the "emergency hospitals" the Chinese built where there are only beds and no access to any kind of medical care, often too few (or no at all) restrooms and rapidly declining sanitation. Why wish that on anybody? No matter how much what they're doing bothers you.

 

[EastCoastCB]

I dont' wish fema camps for anyone. But theyr'e there and already being put to some uses. I'd expect based on the southeasts lack of response that we'll be using them too.

What do you think will happen if LOTS of folks aren't able to make any money? Most folks aren't capable of making it more than a week or two. No one's ready for this and the folks still pretending it doesn't exist are the ones who will be the first to rely on the gov't when they have nothing to sustain themselves.

Folks won't be FORCED into fema camps. They'll flock to them when they have no other option.

 

[Booyah45828]

I'm not too worried. We're fairly well stocked and not going anywhere. If trouble comes to us we're more than armed and more than ready.

That's good to hear, and everyone should be.

Old people are still using community pools. Everything's open. Everyone I know called me bragging about their "special exemption form" handed out by every employer.

Then they'll be negatively affected by this. The elderly I deal with are seemingly in two camps. One group is in self isolation at home, nobody in, nobody out. Drop the groceries in the garage, we'll get them in 3 days type people. The other group hasn't changed a thing. It is in their belief that if it's their time, it's their time. We'll see how the latter feels when they can't breathe and are begging for help at the ER.

If its not essential and folks still flock to these places then they should be fined the first time and jailed the next time.
Hard choices have to be made. homeless and indigent would obviously be the first to go to the fema camps. That's a no brainer. They're already using some of the camps in just that way. During that bit hepatitis outbreak in Ca a year or two ago they put all the homeless in fema temporary tent camps.
Disease and plague aren't fun. We're not accustomed to it. We're all wanting our comfy lives to be uninterrupted by this. But its all gotta get a lot worse before its ever going to get any better.
Sure other countries aren't perfect. No one is. But we're the osterich with its head in the sand here in FL.
The Tampa pastor still telling folks the virus isn't real and that their air purifiers zap a virus out of the air... They're still gathering. Maybe setup a nice fema camp for em so they can all congregate all the time.

I disagree with the jailing and policing of it. Sound the alarm on it. Sound it repeatedly, and then sound it even more. Advise the public of the dangers. Let them know what is going on. Inform them, but don't induce panic or hysteria. Under no circumstance do I want a police state. As far as I'm concerned, if someone is too stupid to social distance right now, then they deserve what they have coming, whatever it may be.

 

[EastCoastCB]

That's good to hear, and everyone should be.



Then they'll be negatively affected by this. The elderly I deal with are seemingly in two camps. One group is in self isolation at home, nobody in, nobody out. Drop the groceries in the garage, we'll get them in 3 days type people. The other group hasn't changed a thing. It is in their belief that if it's their time, it's their time. We'll see how the latter feels when they can't breathe and are begging for help at the ER.



I disagree with the jailing and policing of it. Sound the alarm on it. Sound it repeatedly, and then sound it even more. Advise the public of the dangers. Let them know what is going on. Inform them, but don't induce panic or hysteria. Under no circumstance do I want a police state. As far as I'm concerned, if someone is too stupid to social distance right now, then they deserve what they have coming, whatever it may be.

Yeah. you're right man.


I've been a closet, low lever prepper of sorts off and on for years. I have a mini 14 with factory 20 and 30 round mags and 1500 or so rounds of 62gr fmj gov't stuff. Lake City. Then there's my Mosin Nagant collection and my Enfield specially chambered in .308 with a box mag. The CZ52 is sitting next to me ready to go at a moments notice. I'm a big fan of the 7.62x25 round. Commie surplus crap is kinda my thing, although my "serious" pistol is a 1911 style.. Dan Wesson VBOB. Commander size. Its a thing of beauty and a nice contrast to all the commie stuff lol.
I have some other supplies hoarded but not near as much as I'd like.
We're full on preppers from now on I think.

 

[Phantom5824]

Wow, this thread has been a tough read. So much to consider.

Look out for your families and neighbors, take care of what matters most.
Be safe and wash-up when you're through.

 

[Booyah45828]

Yeah. you're right man.

I've been a closet, low lever prepper of sorts off and on for years. I have a mini 14 with factory 20 and 30 round mags and 1500 or so rounds of 62gr fmj gov't stuff. Lake City. Then there's my Mosin Nagant collection and my Enfield specially chambered in .308 with a box mag. The CZ52 is sitting next to me ready to go at a moments notice. I'm a big fan of the 7.62x25 round. Commie surplus crap is kinda my thing, although my "serious" pistol is a 1911 style.. Dan Wesson VBOB. Commander size. Its a thing of beauty and a nice contrast to all the commie stuff lol.

Sounds like you're prepared

I love the "commie" surplus stuff as well. I feel it makes it cheaper to be an enthusiast.

I'm more of a handgun guy myself. I have several rifles, but if the time ever comes, my thought is that it will likely be close range.

I've got 9mm, 10mm, .40, and .45. I shoot them all, but prefer the 9mm in plus p fashion with modern hollow point design.

As far as designs go, I love the feel and simplicity of a glock. But that's all user preference. IMO you're not accurate with something that you're not comfortable with.

I've been looking at the 5.7x28mm recently and I've been kind of impressed with it. We'll see what the finances are in the next year, but I'm thinking that might be next on the purchase list.

 

[EastCoastCB]

Sounds like you're prepared

I love the "commie" surplus stuff as well. I feel it makes it cheaper to be an enthusiast.

I'm more of a handgun guy myself. I have several rifles, but if the time ever comes, my thought is that it will likely be close range.

I've got 9mm, 10mm, .40, and .45. I shoot them all, but prefer the 9mm in plus p fashion with modern hollow point design.

As far as designs go, I love the feel and simplicity of a glock. But that's all user preference. IMO you're not accurate with something that you're not comfortable with.

I've been looking at the 5.7x28mm recently and I've been kind of impressed with it. We'll see what the finances are in the next year, but I'm thinking that might be next on the purchase list.

Ya know- I LOVE shooting Glocks. I'm deadly accurate with any Glock I pick up. But I've never owned one. Those little 380 glocks they're finally importing are tempting. I think one of those would be perfect for roxy but shes good enough with the cz and the .45.
My plastic pistol of choice is a Walther P99 or PPS.
I too prefer handguns. I only use the rifles occasionally.


I really wish I had a nice stash of MRE's. I dont' "NEED" em but would like to have some.
The fema emergency meals aren't worth having. They're so bad you can't give em away. The veggie taco is the worst.

 

[banman]

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[kazetsukai]

I've been looking at the 5.7x28mm recently and I've been kind of impressed with it. We'll see what the finances are in the next year, but I'm thinking that might be next on the purchase list.

The Ruger 5.7 made it much more easy to get into as well. Not replacing my 1911, but... tempting.

Thinking about getting my girlfriend a Kriss Vector "pistol" in either 9mm or .45. She didn't do too well with the "commie" rifles, even though she likes them, due to their weight.

I like my AR pistol. Uppers = ammo choice. Just need optics for every one of them...

 

[Oscar1]

Not much different in NH tbh.



I sense a common theme in this thread- Not sure what some people are expecting / hoping for exactly- martial law? Hard enforcement of curfews? Arresting people who go out? What?

You asked for opinions and I offered mine, I don’t believe anything I said was vague in any way. I said without gov intervention things would be a lot different I didn’t say I liked the gov response to date. They have been playing catch-up from day one and saying what they think the public needs to hear but I think they really are so late to the party it’s just damage control. Think about this if as of Jan 1st there had been zero media, zero response from any gov body on any level and everyone today was just out wandering around doing as they please where would be at today? (Millions) there is a great deal of emotion and opinion in this thread and that’s understandable but I am reasonably comfortable with my level of preparedness to safeguard my family so I think I’m going to wish everyone the best of luck through all this and sign off this thread for a while and go relax with them.
As always stay safe

 

[Booyah45828]

The Ruger 5.7 made it much more easy to get into as well. Not replacing my 1911, but... tempting.

That's for sure, and coincidentally that's what I'm looking at. And shooting one seems to have as little recoil as shooting a 22lr in a pistol.

I'm sure I'll get it for the safe, but will likely still favor my G17 9mm. I'm just too comfortable and familiar with it to use anything else. And ballistics from .380 all the way up to .45 are so similar nowadays that I feel you're a fool to carry/shoot anything that isn't a 9mm.

 

[Native-SKO]

It's called triage. If you only have one respirator but two patients, who do you try to save? The one with a 30% chance or the one with a 70% chance? Whichever you choose, the other will die.

There are only 160 ICU beds and 122 ventilators in the entire state, and there is an RSV outbreak as well. Alaska's making those choices already.

Problem is, triage is to happen BEFORE treatment begins. The basics is to separate the cases into three categories: not immediately life threatening, immediately life threatening, and can not be saved. It is a waste of resources to treat a patient then decide to make the triage call that they can not be saved. This is the purpose of triage.



Sure, situations do change as treatment progresses. I will say that none of us have the full details of the situation. We are not there. We do not know what the doctors know. We do not know the medical histories of the patients. We simply do not know.


I agree that is sounds like Alaska is in a very tight spot. Many cities and states are soon to follow if the infusions to the medical supply llines do not start flowing well. I do hope the efforts of the governmants and agencies ... and companies ... to provide more resources by way of equipment and supplies pays off rather quickly and those said supplies and equipment start flowing "fast and furious".



By the way, thank you for posting the story about your friend's grandmother. We all need to keep in touch with reality.

 

[joeblack5]

I think in certin parts of the country martial should be enacted.. This would be one of situation what it is designed for.


Regarding the personal freedom and so on. I do not mind people exposing them self to any harm for the fun or by stupidity but i do object that these same people when they get hurt pull down the health care system.


A lot of people are not mature enough to handle and or understand the concept of personal responsibility in relation to other people around them.



That is where a government comes in place and take those elements out that are not willing or able to be responsible.


Clearly ours is failing in every aspect.



Regarding Biscuitsjam friends grandmother... Try to get a cpap machine and home care oxygen concentrator and rig something up if she indeed is kicked out of the hospital.
And if she is indeed kicked out then , I hope it is not because of someone younger who did not care about being responsible needs that breathing machine also and the doctor has to make a decision am i going to try to save the 70 yr old lady or the 45 yr old idiot.


To me first fine and second arrest would be completely appropriate.


The economy as a number that gets wallstreet excited has very little to do with the day to day purchases and needs of the people. That has worked for ages..



Very curious to see what happens in fall with the second wave.


Good luck everyone, stay healthy and try to avoid infecting others.


Johan

 

[EastCoastCB]

I think in certin parts of the country martial should be enacted.. This would be one of situation what it is designed for.


Regarding the personal freedom and so on. I do not mind people exposing them self to any harm for the fun or by stupidity but i do object that these same people when they get hurt pull down the health care system.


A lot of people are not mature enough to handle and or understand the concept of personal responsibility in relation to other people around them.



That is where a government comes in place and take those elements out that are not willing or able to be responsible.


Clearly ours is failing in every aspect.



Regarding Biscuitsjam friends grandmother... Try to get a cpap machine and home care oxygen concentrator and rig something up if she indeed is kicked out of the hospital.
And if she is indeed kicked out then , I hope it is not because of someone younger who did not care about being responsible needs that breathing machine also and the doctor has to make a decision am i going to try to save the 70 yr old lady or the 45 yr old idiot.


To me first fine and second arrest would be completely appropriate.


The economy as a number that gets wallstreet excited has very little to do with the day to day purchases and needs of the people. That has worked for ages..



Very curious to see what happens in fall with the second wave.


Good luck everyone, stay healthy and try to avoid infecting others.


Johan

Well thought out and eloquently stated, Johan. Cheers, pal.
You and your family stay healthy, as well sir.

 

[EastCoastCB]

Folks who have tested positive for corona are still out in the community running errands-https://www.wesh.com/article/seminole-county-people-positive-for-coronavirus-leaving-home/32036456

That's the next county over from us.

Officials said the discovery has prompted the county to issue an executive order that requires anyone who has tested positive for the virus to stay home.

“We shouldn’t have to do this, but we do,” the Seminole County Emergency Manager Alan Harris said. He said the fact that people are traveling within the county after testing positive is “extremely scary and extremely serious.”

The executive order gives law enforcement the ability to issue fines to violators.

They're spreading a potentially deadly virus around the community and all they're liable to get is a fine IF they're caught.
This is gonna be an almost completely uphill battle in FL. Trying to get idiots to stop.

 

[banman]

Folks who have tested positive for corona are still out in the community running errands-https://www.wesh.com/article/seminole-county-people-positive-for-coronavirus-leaving-home/32036456

That's the next county over from us.



They're spreading a potentially deadly virus around the community and all they're liable to get is a fine IF they're caught.
This is gonna be an almost completely uphill battle in FL. Trying to get idiots to stop.

Amazing -- keep feeding the "Florida Man" fires...

Perhaps gps ankle collars like you use for "house-arrest" and then if they leave charge the f@ckers with reckless endangerment, bio-terrorism, attempted murder. And then move them to a Corona virus hospital where they can clean bedpans in exchange for room and board...

 

[EastCoastCB]

Amazing -- keep feeding the "Florida Man" fires...

Perhaps gps ankle collars like you use for "house-arrest" and then if they leave charge the f@ckers with reckless endangerment, bio-terrorism, attempted murder. And then move them to a Corona virus hospital where they can clean bedpans in exchange for room and board...

We also had a guy with a container of fluid he was saying was covid laced who was spraying folks in public. He also had tattoos on his face.
Florida Man cannot die only the idiots who play as him lol.

Man arrested for hoax weapon of mass destruction after spraying substance labeled ‘COVID-19;’ charges dropped

 

[banman]

We also had a guy with a container of fluid he was saying was covid laced who was spraying folks in public. He also had tattoos on his face.
Florida Man cannot die only the idiots who play as him lol.

I confess, I wanna know what he had tattoo'ed in place of his eyebrows...

Targeting a pet-store -- that's a deep level of sadness right there...