More bad news for CA owners

[Rivetboy]

Mohave County?

Yup, Bullhead.

 

[kidharris]

Yup, Bullhead.

I live in north end of Golden Valley near Dolan Springs

 

[GWRider-SKO]

Yes, this will hurt smaller school districts and smaller contractors.

 

[GWRider-SKO]

You need to convert to a motor home and change title to MH and then you won’t. In fact, you can think of right now as being the perfect opportunity to scoop up a killer deal on a sweet bus with low miles because it’s not worth adding the particulate filter.

And just to include complete information, this only applies to vehicles with a GVWR greater than 14000, so most short buses are exempt.

I already have a 1990 Crown with a DD 6-71TA (no smog garbage) and it is already registered as an RV (GVWR of 37400). Most buses in CA are NOT exempt. However, I don't live in CA therefore not a problem for me anyway.

 

[GWRider-SKO]

its easy to "break" the odometer on a Navistar .. but chances are they read your ECM on inspection.. disconnecting the VSS will break the transmission if it has an MD3060 or allison 2000.. why anyone wants to live in california is beyond me.. there are plenty of other warm weather places to live where the rules arent as strict and cost of living isnt as expensive..

CA has some bright spots but the nutty rules and cost of living outweigh them

 

[Rivetboy]

CA has some bright spots but the nutty rules and cost of living outweigh them

Says someone that lives in Kansas. Also love when people say " the high cost of living" My feelings on that statement is what are really saying is that you do not make enough money to live here. Oh well. When did you live here?

 

[kidharris]

Says someone that lives in Kansas. Also love when people say " the high cost of living" My feelings on that statement is what are really saying is that you do not make enough money to live here. Oh well. When did you live here?

WARNING....... RANT AHEAD, SORRY

I read in an article on homelessness that $114k is considered low income in the San Francisco area. Elsewhere I have read that it is not uncommon for a normal/regular house in southern Cal to sell for $500,000. I understand that wages are usually higher in areas where costs of living are so high to make up for it, but, the problem that I and others that don't live in Cal have is that you guys export your madness to our communities in many ways.

Rivetboy, you said "We have another house in Arizona. Can buy anything you want, ammo, paint, real paint thinner, guns, cheap gas, ethanol free gas the list goes on. That was (my) our solution." Here is another of your gems "Try to remember what you post when rebutting as it makes you look foolish when your own words are quoted back at you."

Because you have artificially high wages you can afford to come to our communities and pay high prices for real estate, which you think is cheap, but it raises the cost of housing in our area and phucks up our economy too. Then you want to retire here because you can't afford to retire and live in the mess you call California and you further mess up our economy and bring your stupid ideas with you, then you become local voters and try to turn our states into another California.

If you can't buy "ammo, paint, real paint thinner, guns, cheap gas, ethanol free gas the list goes on." in California then act like a man.... either suck it up and start changing California, quit defending it, and lie in your own bed. Maybe the term zealot may be wrong, perhaps it was not strong enough or adequate to describe the people. "Weak minded"... would that suit you better?

Originally Posted by kazetsukai "Zealots run California, and have for quite a while."
Rivetboy replied "When you call my family and all of my friends and coworkers "zealots" with never meeting or knowing anyone of them you insult me and all of them with your ignorance." ..................are you saying that your "family and all of my friends and coworkers" run California or are you taking kazetsukais words out of context and trying to start a fight? (sorry, my spell checker corrected your spelling of "freinds")


Rivetboy replied to kazetsukai "Thanks for the suggestion to grow up but growing old is the preface to dying and dying does not sound like all that much fun. Besides, already made it to retirement. Moving on... "

That "moving on" part is what worries me, please don't stop in Arizona. BTW, he said grow up, not grow old.... in the context he was using, they don't have the same meaning... you can grow up without growing old and you can grow old without growing up. You do know that you are going to have to die, don't you? Yup, bothers me too.

In case you are wondering what tripped my trigger it was your comment to GWRider "Says someone that lives in Kansas. Also love when people say " the high cost of living" My feelings on that statement is what are really saying is that you do not make enough money to live here. Oh well."...............What a snide, uppity, typically Californian comment. My feelings on your comment is that you are in denial and out of any, what you perceive as, rational defenses of California. Do you think that maybe what he is saying could be what he is actually saying? I think you are just trying to twist it to suit you. I'm pretty sure he lives in Kansas instead of California for reasons totally unknown to you. Some people don't want to put up with California BS for any amount of money.

Do you realize that the people of the USA cannot even buy a reasonably priced gas can that actually works and doesn't leak all over the place because of California. zillions of little things like this plus a lot of big things that eventually drive a person to dislike Californians. It is a shame that such a paradise had to be messed up by zealots. Excuse me, I'm sorry, I meant to say idiots. Is that better? Rivetboy, I am not talking about your friends, family, and coworkers.... unless they actually run California.

 

[Sehnsucht-SKO]

California is a lot like Illinois or Colorado, in which there are broad swaths of conservativism across the state but the denser urban areas are predominantly liberal and therefore impose their values on the state's legislative trajectory. There are things to love and things to loathe in any state and it just so happens that California raises ire here because its policies run afoul of our collective interest but can we just agree that to each his own and move on from this pettiness?

 

[Rivetboy]

WARNING....... RANT AHEAD, SORRY

I read in an article on homelessness that $114k is considered low income in the San Francisco area. Elsewhere I have read that it is not uncommon for a normal/regular house in southern Cal to sell for $500,000. I understand that wages are usually higher in areas where costs of living are so high to make up for it, but, the problem that I and others that don't live in Cal have is that you guys export your madness to our communities in many ways.

Rivetboy, you said "We have another house in Arizona. Can buy anything you want, ammo, paint, real paint thinner, guns, cheap gas, ethanol free gas the list goes on. That was (my) our solution." Here is another of your gems "Try to remember what you post when rebutting as it makes you look foolish when your own words are quoted back at you."

Because you have artificially high wages you can afford to come to our communities and pay high prices for real estate, which you think is cheap, but it raises the cost of housing in our area and phucks up our economy too. Then you want to retire here because you can't afford to retire and live in the mess you call California and you further mess up our economy and bring your stupid ideas with you, then you become local voters and try to turn our states into another California.

If you can't buy "ammo, paint, real paint thinner, guns, cheap gas, ethanol free gas the list goes on." in California then act like a man.... either suck it up and start changing California, quit defending it, and lie in your own bed. Maybe the term zealot may be wrong, perhaps it was not strong enough or adequate to describe the people. "Weak minded"... would that suit you better?

Originally Posted by kazetsukai "Zealots run California, and have for quite a while."
Rivetboy replied "When you call my family and all of my friends and coworkers "zealots" with never meeting or knowing anyone of them you insult me and all of them with your ignorance." ..................are you saying that your "family and all of my friends and coworkers" run California or are you taking kazetsukais words out of context and trying to start a fight? (sorry, my spell checker corrected your spelling of "freinds")


Rivetboy replied to kazetsukai "Thanks for the suggestion to grow up but growing old is the preface to dying and dying does not sound like all that much fun. Besides, already made it to retirement. Moving on... "

That "moving on" part is what worries me, please don't stop in Arizona. BTW, he said grow up, not grow old.... in the context he was using, they don't have the same meaning... you can grow up without growing old and you can grow old without growing up.



In case you are wondering what tripped my trigger it was your comment to GWRider "Says someone that lives in Kansas. Also love when people say " the high cost of living" My feelings on that statement is what are really saying is that you do not make enough money to live here. Oh well."...............What a snide, uppity, typically Californian comment. My feelings on your comment is that you are in denial and out of any, what you perceive as, rational defenses of California. Do you think that maybe what he is saying is what he is actually saying? I think you are just trying to twist it to suit you.

Do you realize that the people of the USA cannot even buy a reasonably priced gas can that actually works and doesn't leak all over the place because of California. zillions of little things like this plus a lot of big things that eventually drive a person to dislike Californians. It is a shame that such a paradise had to be messed up by zealots. Excuse me, I'm sorry, I meant to say idiots. Is that better? Rivetboy, I am not talking about your friends, family, and coworkers.... unless they actually run California.

Rant all you like. I have lived her my entire life and retired here. I have a great life, good health and family and freinds. Your myopic view that everyone in CA. being in lockstep is just ludicrous. Also, HB is a long ways from SF. Finally, the harsh reality for many people is that they do not make enough money to live in CA. That is just a cold hard fact. So, if you do not badmouth my home , I will not feel the need to rebutt you.

 

[Rivetboy]

California is a lot like Illinois or Colorado, in which there are broad swaths of conservativism across the state but the denser urban areas are predominantly liberal and therefore impose their values on the state's legislative trajectory. There are things to love and things to loathe in any state and it just so happens that California raises ire here because its policies run afoul of our collective interest but can we just agree that to each his own and move on from this pettiness?

I certainly agree with your statement. My problem is with individuals that cannot discern that and feel the need to insult my State, my home and, by using generalisations, my family.

 

[kazetsukai]

Your myopic view that everyone in CA. being in lockstep is just ludicrous.

Since you're now doing this to someone else, I'll jump in. Nobody is saying that "everyone in CA" is in lockstep with anything.

The people here are rightfully critical of government policy in CA. For some unknown reason, YOU are taking that criticism towards Californian governmental policy as _personal_ criticism against you and the people you know. Which is insane. You have some axe to grind, it seems. I would never take criticism of NH or NH government policy personally, the very idea seems alien to me.

Finally, the harsh reality for many people is that they do not make enough money to live in CA. That is just a cold hard fact.

It is also a valid perspective that the cost of living is simply too high in CA. The cold hard fact at play is that it is more expensive to live in CA than much of the rest of the country- the way you're framing it appears to me as belittling others that may not make as much money as you do.

So, if you do not badmouth my home , I will not feel the need to rebutt you.

I think you're looking for something to be offended over, instead of having thick enough skin to separate criticism aimed at your government from criticism aimed at you. Your response has been stereotypical bullying.

Finally, you make the argument that if one hasn't lived where you live, then they don't have a valid perspective. I suggest the opposite- much like I do for college education. Those who spent 10 years paying off college debt have a vested interest in defending their choice to attend, so perhaps they aren't exactly the most reliable, unbiased sources when evaluating college as a life choice, just like you whom have personal investments in CA perhaps aren't the greatest authority on how "nice" it is to live in CA.

At the very least, your poor reaction thus far to criticism not even aimed at you suggests to me that our positions on CA aren't totally unfounded.

 

[Rivetboy]

Since you're now doing this to someone else, I'll jump in. Nobody is saying that "everyone in CA" is in lockstep with anything.

The people here are rightfully critical of government policy in CA. For some unknown reason, YOU are taking that criticism towards Californian governmental policy as _personal_ criticism against you and the people you know. Which is insane. You have some axe to grind, it seems. I would never take criticism of NH or NH government policy personally, the very idea seems alien to me.


It is also a valid perspective that the cost of living is simply too high in CA. The cold hard fact at play is that it is more expensive to live in CA than much of the rest of the country- the way you're framing it appears to me as belittling others that may not make as much money as you do.

I think you're looking for something to be offended over, instead of having thick enough skin to separate criticism aimed at your government from criticism aimed at you. Your response has been stereotypical bullying.

Finally, you make the argument that if one hasn't lived where you live, then they don't have a valid perspective. I suggest the opposite- much like I do for college education. Those who spent 10 years paying off college debt have a vested interest in defending their choice to attend, so perhaps they aren't exactly the most reliable, unbiased sources when evaluating college as a life choice, just like you whom have personal investments in CA perhaps aren't the greatest authority on how "nice" it is to live in CA.

At the very least, your poor reaction thus far to criticism not even aimed at you suggests to me that our positions on CA aren't totally unfounded.

Since you seem to have a problem understanding , here it is again. Do not insult My State, my home and by using generalisations, my family. By the way, this is a forum about converting busses,yet some, feel they can talk badly about someones home with impunity. Knock their State, paint with a broad brush or make demands or use sweeping generalizations. I will not tolerate that from anyone. So if you continue to talk chit, be prepared for a rebuttal.

 

[Danjo-SKO]

Can we all just let this thread die please.

 

[farok]

Can we all just let this thread die please.

^^^ This.

 

[kidharris]

Rant all you like. I have lived her my entire life and retired here. I have a great life, good health and family and freinds. Your myopic view that everyone in CA. being in lockstep is just ludicrous. Also, HB is a long ways from SF. Finally, the harsh reality for many people is that they do not make enough money to live in CA. That is just a cold hard fact. So, if you do not badmouth my home , I will not feel the need to rebutt you.

I think that you missed my point, however, if I couldn't get it over in that many words, then I don't think a few more would help. You do realize that there was an awful lot of YOUR quotes in there don't you? I don't remember talking about everyone in California being in lockstep, but I do remember talking about the people who run California and your attitude/view.

I see that you just can't resist twisting other peoples words but I just don't care that much. It is your personal problem.

As far as my "myopic view" goes, sorry, I had to look that up to try to understand what you meant. You should be more specific, especially when you are trying to insult, you do want people to understand what you are trying to say, don't you, otherwise it would be a waste of time?

yes, I do use reading glasses, but I am not nearsighted.

If you meant narrow view, then ....I have a fairly wide view of many things and you simply don't know me well enough to make that call.

If you meant a lack of foresight , California history and its affects doesn't require foresight.

If you meant discernment... my comprehension skills are fairly good, however, I still don't understand everything, I still have problems reading minds, and I do realize that sometimes I am wrong.

"Finally, the harsh reality for many people is that they do not make enough money to live in CA." You know that many people do make enough money to live in California but choose not to and many others choose to move out of California. Oh, forget it, your just proving that "the high cost of living" in California is true. Kinda goes against what you insinuated in an earlier post. Here I go wasting words again.

 

[cadillackid]

The bus yard fleet manager says that almost all go to Mexico where they are being used for public transit.

id rather see them go to mexico and be utilized.. however to qualify for the EPA grants, the busses arent supposed to go anywhere.. and sometimes an inspector comes out to make sure the frames are cut and engine blocks drilled in a such a way repairs cant be made..



im sure that many though get around the destruction part and get sent away.. which is fine with me...

 

[Danjo-SKO]

id rather see them go to mexico and be utilized.. however to qualify for the EPA grants, the busses arent supposed to go anywhere.. and sometimes an inspector comes out to make sure the frames are cut and engine blocks drilled in a such a way repairs cant be made..



im sure that many though get around the destruction part and get sent away.. which is fine with me...

I got mine from 422 bus sales. They auction for Student Transportation of America all day long. The regional fleet manager says they buy entire lots at auction and ship them south. It was a novelty to him that I was building a skoolie so he spent extra time with me, went through service logs, gave me a tour of their operation.

 

[cadillackid]

those arent EPA exchanges.. 422, govdeals, etc are getting simply retired busses that either age out, wont pass inspection, schools upgrade, downsize, etc.. many of those busses do get exported..



the EPA program busses are supposed to be destroyed.. EPA programs typically grant the schools compelling sums of money to get rid of their older non-emissions busses and replace them with brand new ones.. most schools go for it as eventually their old units will fail inspection or will require expensive maintenance.. so it is often a windfall for a system to buy new units at a signifcant discount.. many are using these grants as a way to try out gasoline busses... which already cost less than diesels

 

[kidharris]

I got mine from 422 bus sales. They auction for Student Transportation of America all day long. The regional fleet manager says they buy entire lots at auction and ship them south. It was a novelty to him that I was building a skoolie so he spent extra time with me, went through service logs, gave me a tour of their operation.

422s price, please?

 

[Danjo-SKO]

422s price, please?

On a 10 year old Express-based Thomas shorty with 130K I was high bidder at 3500, but did not crack the reserve. At that point they start to deal with all the high bidders and not necessarily THE high bidder for that item. They may have contacted me about it. They may have packaged it up in a deal for the big players who were buying lots. Rather than wait to find out, I called them up and agreed to meet the reserve which was $4500. After buyers premium I paid $5053. I’m pretty happy with what I got. It’s completely rust free, runs perfectly, has about 60% on the tires, though it’s going to need a turbo.