Ultra high water capacity (1000 gal +)

[cadillackid]

you cant smell yourself... I can easily detect people who havent showered in a couple days and its downright nasty... something thats not an issue if you are off grid and not hanging with anyone else but ewww if going into towns..

 

[Kwest364]

so maybe some type of onboard purification system as the water goes in the tank...

as for boiling gray water.. id think youd incur issues with body oils that dont evaporate.. soap that will turn to solid soap scum.. same with any grease thats in suspension from cookng.. along with any minerals in the water creates residue that would build up and isnt always as easy as rinsing away...

Yeah, I'd have a heavy, filter system before it enters tank (especially from a river/lake). Then another filter to the drinking water source on the sink and could then use another filter like a Berkey, countertop type filter, since those filters filter the best out of em all. Maybe even reverse osmosis/UV filter system and plumb waste RO water back into fresh thru mineral filter of sorts. Idk, typing out loud.

Good points on all the solids in grey tank. Best way to get rid of all that? Obviously, reduce putting solids down drain, but then what? Maybe a heating element that burns off grey water and a removable grey water filter of sorts to pull out all the solid/unburnt material? Definitely adds complexity, loving the problem solving help here. I love this s#!t.

 

[ewo1]

In the ideas I'm proposing here, I'm hypothesizing a rig with all water systems built and on board the rig......or do both haha

Why ???

What's the practical purpose, from a realistic point of view?

the only reason you need that much water is for maybe going underground, off the grid, for a real long time..... Like maybe a criminal on the run..... Your not on the run are you?

You want answers to your water freshness/longevity questions then maybe some research on rain water harvesting and storage might help.

Like for starters, you will need to use a black tank versus a white/clear tank so the UV does not get to the water.

Then, water sitting that long needs to be treated!
Algae will form and can grow out of control to the point your plumbing could get contaminated with mold....

Again, rain water harvesting forums would be great for more detailed info.

I'm gonna give up here and hypothesize in my mind about having a drink on the beach with some beautiful beach babes....

Why ???

Because it's more exciting than 1,000 gallons of water....
unless we used that 1,000 gallons for a massive wet t-shirt contest....

 

[Kentucky Dreaming]

Christopher, I love you, man!! But we are completely different. Doesn't matter to me. Still hope to meet some day.

 

[Kentucky Dreaming]

I'm gonna give up here and hypothesize in my mind about having a drink on the beach with some beautiful beach babes....

Why ???

Because it's more exciting than 1,000 gallons of water....
unless we used that 1,000 gallons for a massive wet t-shirt contest....

I'm with Ewo!!! i'm too old and fat to attract one of those beach babes, but I won't be hauling around 5 tons of water.

 

[Kentucky Dreaming]

Wet t-shirt contest???


Sign me up!!!!

 

[Kentucky Dreaming]

I really love pokies

 

[Kwest364]

Why ???

What's the practical purpose, from a realistic point of view?
You want answers to your water freshness/longevity questions then maybe some research on rain water harvesting and storage might help.

Then, water sitting that long needs to be treated!
Algae will form and can grow out of control to the point your plumbing could get contaminated with mold....

Who cares the reasons, I'm interested in the how and design.

Practicality: all sorts of reasons why you might need/want to have that much water. Why live in a bus, off the grid? Some people would ask, why?

Wouldn't harvest rain water, moreso, out in the desert/dry and need to have that much water. Everyone's needs can differ depending on so many factors and build reasons and designs.

Yeah, might be a murder machine on wheels. But it could be used to transport water to rural villages of elderly and sick......does that make you feel better now about the just cause of this build? Now 1000 gal for grandmas out in the desert towns will be gone in a few days haha.

Probably would never keep water in the tanks for that long. All that water would get used, or emptied to avoid problems. But I was curious, say if I ventured out alone for months and stayed out there, off grid, spot to spot, how long 500 gallons would last me barely using it day to day. Long enough to start thinking about tank algae and mold? Probably. But probably wouldn't need to worry about it. Fresh, clean water in the tank, use to hearts content, and drain tanks if/when necessary to dry out and check systems/repairs.

 

[turf]

ffs....1000 gallons of water and kitty box toilet



ummm

even the wet tshirt girls wont use your kitty box bathroom

 

[DeMac]

Fantasy Island

Who cares the reasons, I'm interested in the how and design......

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Show me.
Just do it.

If the title sentence were true, (Invested Interest in Design & Function) then an author would normally include drawings, sketches and mock-ups of each variation they'd come up with so far.

What we have here is simply a bad idea which is still trying to rationalise and justify itself to a wise & experienced audience.

If three quarters of the Earth were covered in electricity, would we mount so much solar and batteries to our skoolies?

Since electric is much harder to find (on or off-road). That is the weight & complex system you might design to carry, on your rig. Focus.....

:horse3:

 

[cadillackid]

Yeah, I'd have a heavy, filter system before it enters tank (especially from a river/lake). Then another filter to the drinking water source on the sink and could then use another filter like a Berkey, countertop type filter, since those filters filter the best out of em all. Maybe even reverse osmosis/UV filter system and plumb waste RO water back into fresh thru mineral filter of sorts. Idk, typing out loud.

Good points on all the solids in grey tank. Best way to get rid of all that? Obviously, reduce putting solids down drain, but then what? Maybe a heating element that burns off grey water and a removable grey water filter of sorts to pull out all the solid/unburnt material? Definitely adds complexity, loving the problem solving help here. I love this s#!t.

its not putting solids down the drain.. its particles that are in suspension in the water... if you take a shower you use soap, some body oils get washed away as well.. if you rinse a dish theres oily residue that gets washed away... oils and soaps and any minerals in the water dont evaporate with the water... getting rid of the water is easy you could probably have a fine mister that would blow it away into the woods if the weather is dry... but the rest remains and loves to adhere to the surface..



as a kid we had a pot that we put on top of our wood stove and poured tap water in for humidity.. we didnt use the pot all the time just whe nit was extra dry in the house.. even if mom put it in the dishwasher the residue never came out.. even with CLR and iron-out and all that stuff.. the only way we could have a clean pot was to pour distilled water in it all the time...



for drinking water the berkey does a great job, I have one and while its slow it makes for really nice drinking water... and that water does last.. the filtered water in the berkey can sit there for weeks and not go bad even exposed to air.. I live in a city so my tap water is pretty crappy and the berkey does a great job.


ive also used a brita (if its still around).. which fits in the frig



my parents have a reverse osmosis on their well water and it seems to do a good job.

 

[cadillackid]

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Show me.
Just do it.

If the title sentence were true, (Invested Interest in Design & Function) then an author would normally include drawings, sketches and mock-ups of each variation they'd come up with so far.

What we have here is simply a bad idea which is still trying to rationalise and justify itself to a wise & experienced audience.

If three quarters of the Earth were covered in electricity, would we mount so much solar and batteries to our skoolies?

Since electric is much harder to find (on or off-road). That is the weight & complex system you might design to carry, on your rig. Focus.....

:horse3:

what if his main interest is travelling to the desert in summer... wheres the water? lots of sun so he wouldnt need to carry very many batteries or even a generator as his solar would be rocking like crazy.. but theres no water..


others travel to areas where they only need a small amount of water but are in the woods or where it might be cloudy more often so they carry little water as its everywhere but they carry 1000 lbs of batteries so they can handle days without good solar...



people think im crazy because I drive original busses with all their seats on 1000 mile roadtrips just for the heck of it..


while that much water has no use to me or possibly oithers.. if distributed correctly it doesnt seem unsafe like when someone puts a woodstove on the floor behind the driver seat...

 

[nikitis]

Hey look, I do crazy **** too. And that's okay!

Most people here would **** a brick over disabling a beeper that has nothing to do with diagnosing your bus. I know they are just looking out for me and I love'em for that.

I say do your crazy thing. This is America. Why not?

If you want to turn your bus into the worlds first Water Park in a Bus, who are we to stop you?

We just want pics while you do it, instructions in case another crazy person wants to do the same thing, a free invitation when it's finished to go down the slide while holding a Wet T-Shirt Competition.

When people here say it's not practical, what they mean is it's not practical or conducive to skoolie design is all. If you got the money to blow and that's what you wanna do, then who are we to stop you? We were just assuming you wanted a skoolie.

 

[Beeb2]

Late to the party, but...

We used three 55 gallon barrels to make a 160 gallon fresh water tank under our master bed. We could go about 8 weeks before needing to move. But, to clarify - we only used it for showers, washing hands, washing dishes, etc. We used 5 gallon Primo water jugs for our drinking water.

We don't have that setup anymore. Now I tow a trailer behind the bus and have considered putting water totes in it. Theoretically, I could tow a LOT of water. Using a cargo trailer, I can insulate it to keep it from freezing, and keep the tanks out of the sun. I'd just need a way to have a detachable hose to connect it to the bus (easy enough). I also considered having a separate tote for my grey water in there to expand that capacity as well.

 

[kromboy]

You might as well just tow a water trailer.

 

[AlphaHare]

This is Skoolies.NET - did you mean to post at Skoolies.MARS? :wink:

NASA recycles most water on the International Space Station, and you've see the size of their solar array, and you've probably heard of their budget. I think there is actually much less than 1000 gallons of water on the ISS (their emergency tank is 530 gallons), and NASA reclaims about 98% of all water consumed from sweat, condensation, and urine. It costs $83,000 to lift a gallon of water to space.

You want 1000 gallons. Buy 4 of these, find room for them, weld a supporting frame if needed, and plumb it. Post pictures! Buy 4 more for grey/black water or plan on dumping it.

https://www.tankandbarrel.com/slim-...slim-freestanding-tank-250-gallon-p-3602.html

Has anyone put 90" mud tires on their bus? I wonder if it would float because that would be a really interesting way to see the Grand Canyon. You could drive in at Lee's Ferry UT and come out on Lake Mead near Henderson NV. How cool would that be? :wink:

 

[LargeMarge-TC]

Our ExpeditionVehicle GVWR -- 29,000#.
Weight across the scale -- 14,000# (loaded with everything we need for at least a couple-three weeks boondocking).
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That cargo includes our standard load of seven retired stainless-steel five-gallon Pepsi kegs, a total of thirty-five gallons of drinking water.
Three adults and five Heelers, about three weeks.
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For much longer stays off-grid, the toy-hauler I fabricated on a similar commercial chassis?
We have the cargo capacity and room for an additional couple-three dozen more kegs.
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Let us call it an even fifty kegs of five gallons each, or around two-hundred fifty gallons of fresh clean drinking water.
In theory, that could last our crew many many weeks off-grid and boondocking and away from re-supply.
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Downside of our kegs system:
-- Empty, they occupy the same cubic space as full kegs.
-- balance is essential, so each use must consider the other keg on the other end of the rig.
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Semi-retired welder-fabricator here.
Although I could engineer a safe tank with adequate baffles and containment -- as
long as you are willing to throw money at the project --I see no point in the mental exercise.

 

[Rock-N-Ruth]

My solution to the liquid nourishment dilemma is Jim Beam...

For bathing, there is always a creek or lake handy.

I carry a bit of water for dishwashing.

A 7 gallon Reliance can is good for a week in the woods.

1,000 gallons is just plain silly.

Sorry for the honest facts.

Good ole Jim!
I'm with ya brother.

 

[Seanym]

I have a 40' Bluebird and I have 190 gals of fresh, 110 grey, and 90 black. Including a 40 lb propane tank the undersides of the bus are totally full. There is not an extra inch of room. I also have 2 small storage boxes behind the front axle. Regarding weight, my bus is 20890 lbs withw full tank of diesel and the floor put in. Totally empty. Has a gvwr of 36900lbs. I don't think I could get up to 37000lbs if I tried.

 

[AlphaHare]

On a more serious note - I am designing the mounting for my own (either 40 or 50) gallon dual tanks and started thinking about the forces in a collision....

A 50 gallon tank will weigh about 430 pounds (water plus tank itself).

A head-on collision could create forces in excess of 30Gs. Each tank is then 12,510 pounds for 5 to 10 milliseconds. Even lesser impacts will easily generate 10G forces.

I'm beefing up my mounting to include a structural bulkhead between the front seats and the tanks. If the crash doesn't kill me I don't want to be killed by my water tanks. Then I'd be dead and really wet. yuck.